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02-22-2014 | 11:13 AM
#4161
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Just curious, why don't they just drop the seat lock if the jet side is so understaffed?
02-22-2014 | 01:57 PM
#4164
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From: Another RJ FO
I've always wondered why they don't just ask people what base they ideally want in order to save training costs. I lived 10 minutes from ORD when I was hired but was awarded the Brasilia and had to commute for a year and a half. Had they given me the RJ it would have saved them training costs. I've met a few people who were given the RJ based in ORD and commuted to SFO for years.
It seems like it would save a lot of money and headaches to make an exception and award people who live in ORD, MSP, IAH, DEN the jet.
It seems like it would save a lot of money and headaches to make an exception and award people who live in ORD, MSP, IAH, DEN the jet.
02-22-2014 | 02:13 PM
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In the latest awards, there were no bro upgrades.
Word from training, they don't want to short change the RJ during the heavy block hour months. So for the next few months I doubt we see many upgrades into the Bro.
rcfd is correct, hired in Jan 2008, you're still at least 12-24 months from upgrading into the Bro. The only catalyst, attrition.
Word from training, they don't want to short change the RJ during the heavy block hour months. So for the next few months I doubt we see many upgrades into the Bro.
rcfd is correct, hired in Jan 2008, you're still at least 12-24 months from upgrading into the Bro. The only catalyst, attrition.
02-23-2014 | 10:57 AM
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From: CR7
Not while the prorate continues to be profitable. I don't know how long you've been here, but even three years ago when we were severely understaffed on the jet (Summer O' Double Time Juniorman), they didn't cannibalize the Brasilia. It's always a cycle of some sort of staffing crisis here, either over or under. Moreover we are actually picking up new flying and new planes for the Brasilia side, where we had previously been drawing down the fleet (lost almost 20 planes in 8 years). I'd say weather has been a bigger factor than staffing, but we simply don't have the FO staffing to allow enough upgrades at the moment since a pilot in transition/upgrade is a pilot not online. March is one of the highest block hour months on record yet again. We have some planes coming off contract soon, I doubt the 700's won't be renewed, but the 200 flying is a question mark. Maybe we won't end up so short-staffed after all. Who really knows?
I do have to say that I am sick and tired of the 6 year FO lament. That's what happens when you get hired at the tail end of massive & rapid expansion and hiring, followed by five years of stagnation due to A65 and economic collapse. Even if that hadn't happened, we hired almost 1000 pilots in about a year, that's a lot of people ahead of you for what (at the time for people hired a year ahead of you) was a 9 month upgrade. It's a case of expectations vs. reality. And before you jump all over me, I was a 6.5 year FO.
I do have to say that I am sick and tired of the 6 year FO lament. That's what happens when you get hired at the tail end of massive & rapid expansion and hiring, followed by five years of stagnation due to A65 and economic collapse. Even if that hadn't happened, we hired almost 1000 pilots in about a year, that's a lot of people ahead of you for what (at the time for people hired a year ahead of you) was a 9 month upgrade. It's a case of expectations vs. reality. And before you jump all over me, I was a 6.5 year FO.
did you pass the first offer to upgrade?
The upgrade right now is at almost 8 years and those guys did not have the luxury to say no to upgrade before.
It is easy to be tired of the lament if you yourself choose not to upgrade at the first offer and upgraded after 6.5 years. It is another situation if you never had the option. For every year the guys do not upgrade they've lost $25k+ and that is more than 100k for 4 years. I believe the lament is very low putting things into perspective. The pay scales at the regional level are based on fast upgrade and being an FO for 8 years is not included in the calculations.......
I would say the FOs hired 2007 and forward have shown to be incredible patient. That could also be why we are loosing so many. Sadly not enough Captains have moved on.......
02-25-2014 | 03:04 PM
#4168
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I am so tired of the lamenting out of touch captain who had the opportunity to upgrade quick complain about the 6+ years FO's complaining about upgrade. Yet some how captain who upgraded at 2 years still has the nerve to say we need to "pay our dues".
Give me a break.
Give me a break.
02-25-2014 | 03:42 PM
#4169
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I am so tired of the lamenting out of touch captain who had the opportunity to upgrade quick complain about the 6+ years FO's complaining about upgrade. Yet some how captain who upgraded at 2 years still has the nerve to say we need to "pay our dues".
Give me a break.
Give me a break.
02-25-2014 | 04:49 PM
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would you be complaining how long it takes to upgrade at a mainline?
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