On a handful of occasions we've been way over fueled had we decided to board before I checked it folks would have been on board for the 20+ minutes it took to defuel never mind the fact that the APU's and packs suck in the dead of summer. If something ends up being broke you're going to be delayed 9/10 times and the few extra minutes it saves you with your phone call isn't going to make a difference, what does make a difference? Me not feeling rushed and checking over the release, double checking the radar on my phone reviewing charts for taxi and departures even though Sky Gods such as yourself already "do that" I still do it myself to be on the safe side.

 

You said you wouldn't be able to get out of DEN BECAUSE the bleeds were closed.

I've done plenty of unpressurized takeoffs. We do the same job, albeit at different companies and different locals.

What you said was backwards. Unless, like I said, I misunderstood what your statement.

If you can't get out of DEN bleeds closed then you can never get out of DEN......Right?

Thanks for not being a richard though........

 

Sooooo.....what you are saying is you intend to not comply with the SOP?
Oooookaaaaaay, reviewing your charts for taxi, checking the release, checking the radar on your phone? Did you read this before you hit the reply button? 9/10 times? How many Duct Mon Faults have you had, missing brake wear pins? 4 minute fix tops, defuel? 15 years never done that once, never nada, maybe if you went outside to do your walkaround as per the SOP, you would have seen the fueler and said 11.5 right? And come back and said hey, #1 main is showing cord.
But you know better than the 15 year Capt. and he is just a speed bump in your career path.

 

Check your pm

 

Man, this thread is becoming hostile, I miss Nevets.

 

Interesting read this morning gents....lol... My take on this issue is we work as a team to get the job done, whatever that means. The overwhelming majority of CA's I've flown with seem to follow this. I will say to my fellow FO's is that it is greatly appreciated when you leave the chart book out for the next crew, it's a small thing but so nice when were in a hurry! I always try to do what I'd want done, like flipping over and filling out the log for the next crew...just little things..

When I was new I also used to wait for fueling to be done to do the walk around until a CA pointed out why that was a bad idea... I actually don't mind going out there twice now, if anything just stretching the legs!

I just think if we have the mindset that were both there to get the job done together things will go along much more smoothly! This is truly what you make of it and it's such a fun job when you enjoy being next to the guy on your right or left!

 

Hmmmmnnnnnn.

 

Maybe your reading comprehension needs some work....you are welcome.

 

Wow, someone who gets it.....

 

So much this, plus the binders are getting so fat, someone is bound to pull a muscle just to get them out of the airside kit.