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Old 10-19-2014 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Electra
I feel your pain. The trip mix in DEN has become so lousy that something like 75% of people are doing exclusively four days, and people are volunteering for ASE just to get away from the 4-on-2-off cycle. I know more than a few people who thought they'd stay here with their cushy schedules who are now contemplating leaving because they can no longer hold locals and two-days and figure if they're gonna be stuck doing a 4-day they might as well do it for Southwest or Frontier or commute for United until the day comes they can hold DEN again. Maybe the company is doing it on purpose? That's one way to increase attrition at the top, I guess.
To me it seems like they could save money by making trips more efficient since 5 pilots flying 16 hour 4 days is the same as 4 pilots flying 20 hour 4 days. I assume they either must be doing it on purpose, or they just love paying for more staffing than they need to.
Old 10-19-2014 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by rcfd13
To me it seems like they could save money by making trips more efficient since 5 pilots flying 16 hour 4 days is the same as 4 pilots flying 20 hour 4 days. I assume they either must be doing it on purpose, or they just love paying for more staffing than they need to.
I think it's a combo of SGU and UA/AA/DL/AL/US differing schedules. More so SGU's problem since they refuse to change how they operate in Crew support/Planning.

I know the computers/software we are using to create our schedules is quite antiquated. Recently, just read about a man who runs a gambling business, and he simulates the entire football season 50,000 times in under 2 minutes. Yep, 256 games with 22 players imputed to come up with his predictions.

SkyWest could pay this guy a few mil to save them millions per year, but that's against our corporate philosophy.
Old 10-19-2014 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by skiK2
I think it's a combo of SGU and UA/AA/DL/AL/US differing schedules. More so SGU's problem since they refuse to change how they operate in Crew support/Planning.

I know the computers/software we are using to create our schedules is quite antiquated. Recently, just read about a man who runs a gambling business, and he simulates the entire football season 50,000 times in under 2 minutes. Yep, 256 games with 22 players imputed to come up with his predictions.

SkyWest could pay this guy a few mil to save them millions per year, but that's against our corporate philosophy.
I understand that part of it is our major partners dictating the schedules so a few 16 hour 4 days per month and some deadheads per month is inevitable. It's just ridiculous when the AVERAGE credit 4 day barely breaks the 20 hour mark in 200+ crew domiciles. I know some low credit stuff will happen due to us not setting their schedules but with 200 lines to work with in some domiciles they can't claim that there are zero ways to improve efficiency. It just blows my mind that they're unwilling to do it, especially when staffing is becoming a problem.
Old 10-19-2014 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by FaceBiter
I think we've flown together.
You make me laugh pretty hard
Old 10-20-2014 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by MatchPoint

WOW! This is NOT a threat women have to deal with everyday when they show up for work. Plus, the drink issue, all woman deal with that one and so do men at times.

Fixed the above for you. While I have only had it happen once, I think that even once is too much. Amazingly enough, the pilot is no longer here and rumor is that it was due to similar experiences as mine. I don't want to paint the pilots here with a broad brush because 99.9% of the people I fly with are amazing. But to my original point, unless you are flying with FaceBiter, I am pretty sure this has never happened to a guy.

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I have a dozen or so female pilot friends who I speak with often, you’re stretching......
Wow, you mean they don't just run up and tell you when a co-worker who is in a position of power and has obvious misogynistic issues abuses his position as Captain? Trust me, I have told very few people myself. I have had minimal issues and not nearly as many as our FA's. I find it interesting that most behavior that is found acceptable with our FA's never happens to me. And for that I am grateful.

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Old 10-20-2014 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Electra
I feel your pain. The trip mix in DEN has become so lousy that something like 75% of people are doing exclusively four days, and people are volunteering for ASE just to get away from the 4-on-2-off cycle. I know more than a few people who thought they'd stay here with their cushy schedules who are now contemplating leaving because they can no longer hold locals and two-days and figure if they're gonna be stuck doing a 4-day they might as well do it for Southwest or Frontier or commute for United until the day comes they can hold DEN again. Maybe the company is doing it on purpose? That's one way to increase attrition at the top, I guess.
What is ASE? What are the biggest drawbacks to bidding reserve? No flight time, low pay, and lots of sitting around at the airport? Sorry, i'm a newbie
Old 10-20-2014 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by flylowfast
What is ASE? What are the biggest drawbacks to bidding reserve? No flight time, low pay, and lots of sitting around at the airport? Sorry, i'm a newbie
Aspen. KASE. Special crews are required to go in there and they have different work rules than normal line holders.

On reserve Crew Support treats you like you're not human. Five 16 hour work days in a row? No problem. Call at 4am to come to the airport and sit there for 8 hours doing nothing? You'll do a lot of that too. Sometimes they deadhead you to some random city to do a local (day trip) and when you get off your deadhead you find out that you're actually going to be doing a 5 day trip now and won't be home for the next week.

Basically since we don't have a contract you're just their *****. They can do whatever they want with you on reserve and you can't fight it. Unfortunately they don't have much of a conscience and they really do do whatever they want with you.
Old 10-20-2014 | 10:03 AM
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Wow, that sounds terrible! Cant wait to get started! LOL
Old 10-20-2014 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by flylowfast
Wow, that sounds terrible! Cant wait to get started! LOL
Keep in mind that your experience may vary. I think it is dependent upon your domicile, mindset, and length of time on reserve.
Old 10-20-2014 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by skypilot35
Keep in mind that your experience may vary. I think it is dependent upon your domicile, mindset, and length of time on reserve.
I'm not sure about that. I sat reserve in a small domicile for a while that was downsizing and very fat on pilots. I had a 3 month period where I flew 2.0 block, but I got called to sit 8 hours of RDY and got TDYs all over the system constantly. I hardly ever got any kind of useful assignment but crew support made sure they wasted as much of the company's money as they could to keep it from looking like I was sitting at home getting paid not to 'work'. I don't know if the size of domicile or staffing level really makes it any better for anyone.

Luckily I only had to sit reserve for a year so I didn't have it nearly as bad as some of the 6+ year perma-reserve captains. We'll see what happens when I upgrade.
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