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10-27-2014, 06:14 PM
#7281
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Originally Posted by 303flyboy
Nevets,
If you put half as much effort into being a little bit more profitable and productive instead of bashing the hand that feeds you everyday, SkyWest probably wouldn't have to get rid of you as soon as they can. Fear not, once they do get rid of you, you can go back to being the amazing 50-seat airline you once were.
Thank Expressjet for KCM? Thank SkyWest for still having a job.
If you put half as much effort into being a little bit more profitable and productive instead of bashing the hand that feeds you everyday, SkyWest probably wouldn't have to get rid of you as soon as they can. Fear not, once they do get rid of you, you can go back to being the amazing 50-seat airline you once were.
Thank Expressjet for KCM? Thank SkyWest for still having a job.
Even if they do choose to cut their losses and shut XJT down it's still due to poor business decisions from the top (maybe not acquiring them in the first place). If they get shut down I'd feel pretty bad for the pilots who did nothing to deserve it.
10-27-2014, 06:17 PM
#7282
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Position: EMB 145 CPT
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Originally Posted by 303flyboy
Nevets,
If you put half as much effort into being a little bit more profitable and productive instead of bashing the hand that feeds you everyday, SkyWest probably wouldn't have to get rid of you as soon as they can. Fear not, once they do get rid of you, you can go back to being the amazing 50-seat airline you once were.
Thank Expressjet for KCM? Thank SkyWest for still having a job.
If you put half as much effort into being a little bit more profitable and productive instead of bashing the hand that feeds you everyday, SkyWest probably wouldn't have to get rid of you as soon as they can. Fear not, once they do get rid of you, you can go back to being the amazing 50-seat airline you once were.
Thank Expressjet for KCM? Thank SkyWest for still having a job.
Never said to thank xjt for kcm. I said thank pilot unions for things like kcm and almost all safety systems mandated.
Second, we do our job the same today as we did before we were bought by Skywest. It was Skywest who negotiated the money losing CPAs when they bought xjt, not the pilots. They have run this company to the ground since day one. Seems like new leadership is now making a difference and we are back to the normal 99.8% controllable completion factor we used to do year in and year out.
The fact that xjt is losing money is NOT any employees fault! I don't know why you guys would think that?
10-27-2014, 06:22 PM
#7283
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Position: Happy
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Nevets, here is how I look at this. You just consider yourself lucky you work at Expressjet, while SkyWest pilots consider themselves lucky they don't. Everyone happy.
10-27-2014, 06:56 PM
#7284
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XJT is not losing money.
They are in fact making money and lots of it, just not for Inc.
They are in fact making money and lots of it, just not for Inc.
10-27-2014, 07:06 PM
#7285
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Nevets. You should know better then to say SkyWest negotiated a money losing contract, that was inplace when they bought them... Anyway, Doesn't matter.. Plan is in motion, noting can change that..
10-27-2014, 09:11 PM
#7286
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Point being that I chose to work for a union company. As opposed to Skywest pilots who chose to work at a non-union airline and continue to work for a non-union airline. I chose to work for a company that was bought by Skywest, yet it's still a union airline nonetheless and I'm still voluntarily paying dues for your benefit.
I'll try to explain it to you again. The fact that Skywest bought xjt made no bearing on you or any other Skywest airlines employee as far as their compensation is concerned. So no one at xjt is rind any Skywest employee coat tail. Yet, the pilots at xjt pay their union dues that you benefit from.
As for ALPA, I voluntarily chose to work for an airline that was ALPA so that I wouldn't ride coat tails. And you and every Skywest pilots chose to work at a non-union airline and ride coat tails.
As for benefits, one has already been mentioned in the post above. Look up DD for an actual example. And I previously mentioned a few more a couple of posts ago such as ASAP, foqa, cass, kcm, an almost every safety system which was pushed through by pilot unions. You take advantage of that and ride those coat tails.
Lastly, specifically your compensation and work rules are a hindrance to us at xjt and many other pilot groups who have better contract language such as your 38% pilot contribution to your health care benefits and subpar plans, your abysmal sick and vacation accrual, your lack of b fund, OJI bank, viable LTD plan, lower 401k matching, not to mention numerous work rules and lousy PBS. And on top of that, you coat tail ride off of our negotiations by agreeing to me too clause on our matching funds, health care benefits, and scope! So don't tell me that we are bringing you down because it's EXACTLY the opposite!
Anyway, keep using ALPA as an excuse for you to stay non-union. You can easily go independent if ALPA was truly your concern but you are just being disingenuous.
I'll try to explain it to you again. The fact that Skywest bought xjt made no bearing on you or any other Skywest airlines employee as far as their compensation is concerned. So no one at xjt is rind any Skywest employee coat tail. Yet, the pilots at xjt pay their union dues that you benefit from.
As for ALPA, I voluntarily chose to work for an airline that was ALPA so that I wouldn't ride coat tails. And you and every Skywest pilots chose to work at a non-union airline and ride coat tails.
As for benefits, one has already been mentioned in the post above. Look up DD for an actual example. And I previously mentioned a few more a couple of posts ago such as ASAP, foqa, cass, kcm, an almost every safety system which was pushed through by pilot unions. You take advantage of that and ride those coat tails.
Lastly, specifically your compensation and work rules are a hindrance to us at xjt and many other pilot groups who have better contract language such as your 38% pilot contribution to your health care benefits and subpar plans, your abysmal sick and vacation accrual, your lack of b fund, OJI bank, viable LTD plan, lower 401k matching, not to mention numerous work rules and lousy PBS. And on top of that, you coat tail ride off of our negotiations by agreeing to me too clause on our matching funds, health care benefits, and scope! So don't tell me that we are bringing you down because it's EXACTLY the opposite!
Anyway, keep using ALPA as an excuse for you to stay non-union. You can easily go independent if ALPA was truly your concern but you are just being disingenuous.
10-27-2014, 09:39 PM
#7287
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Lol everything in this thread becomes a "how we do things at XJT vs at SKW"
10-28-2014, 12:47 AM
#7288
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Originally Posted by amcnd
Nevets. You should know better then to say SkyWest negotiated a money losing contract, that was inplace when they bought them... Anyway, Doesn't matter.. Plan is in motion, noting can change that..
You always claim to be in the know here at Skywest, you should have remembered this whole saga.
10-28-2014, 03:57 AM
#7289
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"I can't get a raise because your company loses money." How ignorant is that? Do you honestly believe if XJT was profitable or if they weren't part of Skywest at all, that you'd get more money?
Also, why are you mad at XJT pilots? YOUR management bought a company that was losing money. If anything, you should be mad at YOUR company that they made a poor investment and not be mad that pilots aren't taking concessions so YOU can get a pay raise.
Also, why are you mad at XJT pilots? YOUR management bought a company that was losing money. If anything, you should be mad at YOUR company that they made a poor investment and not be mad that pilots aren't taking concessions so YOU can get a pay raise.
10-28-2014, 05:29 AM
#7290
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
"I can't get a raise because your company loses money." How ignorant is that? Do you honestly believe if XJT was profitable or if they weren't part of Skywest at all, that you'd get more money?
Also, why are you mad at XJT pilots? YOUR management bought a company that was losing money. If anything, you should be mad at YOUR company that they made a poor investment and not be mad that pilots aren't taking concessions so YOU can get a pay raise.
Also, why are you mad at XJT pilots? YOUR management bought a company that was losing money. If anything, you should be mad at YOUR company that they made a poor investment and not be mad that pilots aren't taking concessions so YOU can get a pay raise.
Airlines come and go, it is the nature of the industry. I don't hold a grudge against XJT pilots in general, in fact they are welcome in my jumpseat anytime just like everyone else. What does anger me are the few of you that like to come on here under the veil of anonymity and repeatedly dump on my coworkers and the company which I am otherwise proud to work for. You cannot shame us into a union, this is still a very good place to work, and I'll take the relative security of our profitability over your supposedly superior contract any day.
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