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Old 09-07-2017 | 06:31 AM
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And that brought them to industry average. Years and year of below, then a big raise doesn't constitute getting a every year inflation raise...
Old 09-07-2017 | 06:33 AM
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Average? Go look. They destroy our ppm in every sense of the word.

We get MDG. You drop a turn? Lose MDG. They still keep it.

We get TONS of lco crap in ot. They do not go to work for less than mdg. Open time is MDG*1.5 as it should be.

Their payrates are also way higher.

Everything about their contract is way more "industry leading" than anything Russ wants to shove down our throats.

Go read and learn, what we have is a joke


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Old 09-07-2017 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by elmetal
Average? Go look. They destroy our ppm in every sense of the word.

We get MDG. You drop a turn? Lose MDG. They still keep it.

We get TONS of lco crap in ot. They do not go to work for less than mdg. Open time is MDG*1.5 as it should be.

Their payrates are also way higher.

Everything about their contract is way more "industry leading" than anything Russ wants to shove down our throats.

Go read and learn, what we have is a joke


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Pay rates are way higher?
I checked Republic, air Wisconsin and an AA WO and didn't find that.
So how about you point us in the right direction.

You want to get paid for dropping a turn? Who gets that?!
Old 09-07-2017 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by elmetal
Average? Go look. They destroy our ppm in every sense of the word.

We get MDG. You drop a turn? Lose MDG. They still keep it.

We get TONS of lco crap in ot. They do not go to work for less than mdg. Open time is MDG*1.5 as it should be.

Their payrates are also way higher.

Everything about their contract is way more "industry leading" than anything Russ wants to shove down our throats.

Go read and learn, what we have is a joke


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I could care less what the company does with OT. That's THEIR flying, not mine. I don't feel entitled to the right to pick up OT every month at a premium. Now if they can't cover it and REALLY need my help on a day off it's going to cost them for sure$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Now QOL on the other hand...it might be worth a union right now to try and get some QOL rules locked in. That was why I voted yes in 2006...didn't think we needed it, but wanted to lock in the QOL we had at the time, just in case. Guess I was right about that one.
Old 09-07-2017 | 06:56 AM
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You're not getting it. It's not about ot

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Old 09-07-2017 | 06:57 AM
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They get paid for dropping a turn if it takes them below MDG. MDG is just that, MINIMUM you get for showing up to work PERIOD

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Old 09-07-2017 | 07:02 AM
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Or maybe we can talk about our laughable "trip rig" and "duty rig"

Yeah, scheduled is LAUGHABLE

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Old 09-07-2017 | 07:24 AM
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They get paid for dropping a turn if it takes them below MDG. MDG is just that, MINIMUM you get for showing up to work PERIOD

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Yeah but the company has the right to try and build efficient pairings which block more than MDG. If you then break up that pairing for your own convenience, you don't have a "right" to MDG.

MDG just exists to keep the company from wasting our time with inefficient workdays. Not to allow you to game the system and get free time off with pay.

I'll certainly call out the company on a wide variety of BS, but full pay for crew split pairings isn't in that category.
Old 09-07-2017 | 07:29 AM
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I could care less what the company does with OT. That's THEIR flying, not mine. I don't feel entitled to the right to pick up OT every month at a premium. Now if they can't cover it and REALLY need my help on a day off it's going to cost them for sure$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Now QOL on the other hand...it might be worth a union right now to try and get some QOL rules locked in. That was why I voted yes in 2006...didn't think we needed it, but wanted to lock in the QOL we had at the time, just in case. Guess I was right about that one.
Rick. Do you happen to remember what the voter participation percentage was on that vote? Just curious.
Old 09-07-2017 | 07:33 AM
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How about when they have an ot pairing with LCO on it? You're going to work aren't you? Why not MDG?

Oh but wait it's MDG OR 1.5x lco whatever is higher.

Yeah good luck with that. Our ppm is a joke and it pains you to admit it. It's ok.

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