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03-22-2019 | 06:43 AM

#121

fireman0174

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

And when you trust an industry to police itself . . .

Frank Lorenzo's dream.

03-22-2019 | 07:19 AM

#122

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Originally Posted by fireman0174

737 MAX 8/9 inflight:

Landing gear is up.
Flaps are fully retracted.
Autopilot is off
Pilot is hand flying
MCAS gets activated for a "PUSH-OVER". (No pickle switch use by pilot.)
Stabilizer moves due to MCAS.

In the flight deck, does the noisy stab wheel rotate?

I don't think it does, but what is the answer?

Yes it moves. But I don’t think this is what happened. I think AP was engaged but was kicked off by the system with airspeed disagree forcing the PF to handfly and that will immediately reduce the window of situational awareness. Add alarms and heavy control forces and I doubt the PF would even notice or hear the trim wheel moving. The PM should have a larger window of situational awareness but this is where experience enters the picture. At 200 hours I don’t think it’s gonna happen.

The jump seater on the penultimate lion air flight had a good window of SA and saved the day.

03-22-2019 | 11:46 AM

#123

onichols1

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Calling all b737 pilots

I would be greatful if you could complete my survey as part of my undergraduate dissertation that looks to identify whether an increasing presence of technology on the B737 is a good or bad thing.

Please see: https://lboro.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/te...the-boeing-737

Many Thanks

03-22-2019 | 12:02 PM

#124

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From: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.

Done in all of a minute or two.

03-22-2019 | 03:01 PM

#125

ZapBrannigan

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My answer to Question 9:

The airplane needs an EICAS and a redesigned overhead panel. The use of a “recall” light and annunciation lights is an absurdity in 2019.

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03-22-2019 | 06:27 PM

#126

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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan

Agreed. I couldn’t believe that the MAX came with the same complete POS recall system that has the contact problems since the damn 60s. For crying out loud, even the B757 had a real EICAS system.

The B737’s an honest airplane (up until the MAX fiasco) but I hope to hell we get the B797 and if I was in charge I’d be placing and order for 500+ of the super efficient A220-300s at deeply discounted prices to replace our -700s.

03-22-2019 | 08:04 PM

#127

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My money says EICAS/overhead = new type final straw.

03-22-2019 | 08:20 PM

#128

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My money says EICAS/overhead = new type final straw.

Oh yeah. That’s exactly the case

03-24-2019 | 03:33 PM

#129

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From: Aircraft & Seat: old & hard

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Originally Posted by at6d

My money says EICAS/overhead = new type final straw.

What about DC9/MD80-90/B717?

03-24-2019 | 04:53 PM

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I’m sure it’s 100% Boeing’s fault. Not a doubt in my mind. And I’m confident that the European/foreign agencies investigating will come up with the same unbiased, politically unbiased conclusion.