Yeah. They say that to your face. It's a lie. Prepare for the furlough if it comes to that. $ talks and odds are most have been around the industry long enough to know pilot pay won't save the company. You don't go from 40,000 employees to 60,000 and then come to pilots. Get rid of useless departments first.

 

As a last resort after early outs, voluntary furloughs, and all other options, this seems to be the best idea of how a concession could be given. It would have to come with a time limit, no furlough, and a no involuntary displacement guarantee. A furlough hurts more than just the pilots getting furloughed. It also means at least half that number get downgraded, captains and FO’s get kicked out of bases and become commuters again, seniority goes backwards for everybody with the exception of a top percentage.

If the average line value was lowered for 30% of CA and FO lines to say 50 TFP, they just become part time pilots with no sacrifice in benefits or pay per day. They would still retain the ability to pick up open time. This sacrifice would then fix itself if demand returns before a time limit was reached. Then again...Im just a dumb pilot but if we have to fly around with middle seats open we would need more airplanes/pilots per ASM than a normal situation.

 

Seems reasonable to me if it comes to that

 

Kind of painting from a broad brush buddy . I think most have your back.

 

I completely understand the “full pay to the last day” mentality as it relates to reducing pay rates, benefits, and work rules. Contractual concessions are unacceptable. However a negotiated temporary reduction in min guarantee isn’t something that causes lasting harm to the profession. It’s the pilot group looking out for each other and themselves, whether it’s guys avoiding furlough, downgrade, or displacement. That’s assuming all other options of early retirements, LOA, etc have been exhausted.

Im a 2017 hire, squarely in the furlough range for what it’s worth.

 

April 23 article, Dallas Morning News:

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...-pick-up-soon/

I can't tell if Kelly is saying he will take cuts first, or "if you [employees] agree to cuts, THEN I will take a cut"

 

I think that's an excellent point, and really outside of the box thinking that didn't happen after 9/11. I hope that you'll send it to your domicile reps and the negotiating committee to think about between now and August.

 

I won’t agree to any concessions unless they’re temporary and are paid back in full (with interest if we can negotiate it) once the company is profitable. I’ve based my budget on guarantee. If I have to change my budget to keep my job so be it. But everyone in the GO is going to be doing the same. All or nothing.

I’m a 117 with 2600 behind me.

 

I won't agree unless there is an immediate snap back upon the first furlough notice going out and/or quarterly profit with retro for the quarter.
I will only vote yes to a guarantee reduction. No pay reductions or benefit reductions.

 

Shutup with your reasonable approach to this. Now is a time for ultimatums, machismo, and lines in the sand.