Concession discussions in our future?
04-24-2020, 10:45 AM
#151
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Why does Gary Kelley continue to go straight to the media with his talk of concessions, furloughs and downsizing? I mean I know why, but I thought he was all about "family" and "culture". You'd think he'd keep everything in house.
Our CEO gives us weekly updates, and we all know the possible **** storm coming in October, but at no time have they mentioned the word "concessions". And certainly haven't brought up "furloughs if no concessions" rhetoric. And as far as I know, haven't used the media to put pressure on any working group.
Our CEO gives us weekly updates, and we all know the possible **** storm coming in October, but at no time have they mentioned the word "concessions". And certainly haven't brought up "furloughs if no concessions" rhetoric. And as far as I know, haven't used the media to put pressure on any working group.
04-24-2020, 11:17 AM
#152
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Originally Posted by kingairfun
Why does Gary Kelley continue to go straight to the media with his talk of concessions, furloughs and downsizing? I mean I know why, but I thought he was all about "family" and "culture". You'd think he'd keep everything in house.
Our CEO gives us weekly updates, and we all know the possible **** storm coming in October, but at no time have they mentioned the word "concessions". And certainly haven't brought up "furloughs if no concessions" rhetoric. And as far as I know, haven't used the media to put pressure on any working group.
Our CEO gives us weekly updates, and we all know the possible **** storm coming in October, but at no time have they mentioned the word "concessions". And certainly haven't brought up "furloughs if no concessions" rhetoric. And as far as I know, haven't used the media to put pressure on any working group.
04-24-2020, 11:25 AM
#153
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Originally Posted by kingairfun
Why does Gary Kelley continue to go straight to the media with his talk of concessions, furloughs and downsizing? I mean I know why, but I thought he was all about "family" and "culture". You'd think he'd keep everything in house.
Our CEO gives us weekly updates, and we all know the possible **** storm coming in October, but at no time have they mentioned the word "concessions". And certainly haven't brought up "furloughs if no concessions" rhetoric. And as far as I know, haven't used the media to put pressure on any working group.
Our CEO gives us weekly updates, and we all know the possible **** storm coming in October, but at no time have they mentioned the word "concessions". And certainly haven't brought up "furloughs if no concessions" rhetoric. And as far as I know, haven't used the media to put pressure on any working group.
Who knows. Maybe YOU leaked it. 🤔
04-24-2020, 11:33 AM
#154
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Originally Posted by Peacock
I completely understand the “full pay to the last day” mentality as it relates to reducing pay rates, benefits, and work rules. Contractual concessions are unacceptable. However a negotiated temporary reduction in min guarantee isn’t something that causes lasting harm to the profession. It’s the pilot group looking out for each other and themselves, whether it’s guys avoiding furlough, downgrade, or displacement. That’s assuming all other options of early retirements, LOA, etc have been exhausted.
Im a 2017 hire, squarely in the furlough range for what it’s worth.
Im a 2017 hire, squarely in the furlough range for what it’s worth.
- keeps everyone on property
- Keeps everyone current (allows quick ramp up)
- Contract stays intact.
- keeps some cash in everyone’s pocket, and most likely benefits as well.
04-24-2020, 12:28 PM
#155
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Originally Posted by zapbrannigan
anybody who is hard set against shared sacrifice to prevent furloughs should post your date of hire so we can see if you truly believe it’s not worth trying to save a fellow pilot from furlough, or if you know you’re safe and don’t want anybody to move your cheese.
I came here for one reason and one reason only. Job security and a pilot group that was known for taking care of each other. If the forums are any indication, it’s just another pilot group no different from the alpa groups i was furloughed from. “i’ve got mine. Tough luck”
I came here for one reason and one reason only. Job security and a pilot group that was known for taking care of each other. If the forums are any indication, it’s just another pilot group no different from the alpa groups i was furloughed from. “i’ve got mine. Tough luck”
no concessions!
Offer more ETOs and as many substantial early retirements as will take it and then let it fall where it may. But concessions lower an already low bar and give a lower starting place when section six resumes.
SWA also has to learn that it can no longer cheap out when it comes to doing what other carriers are doing. If they’re going to go big for the back offices, a la buy-backs and bonuses, then they have to go big for the front line, a la ETOs and early out incentives.
04-24-2020, 01:20 PM
#156
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
Late 2017 hire.
no concessions!
no concessions!
If you don’t believe that management reads these forums, go look up the pleadings filed in federal court by Spirit management against the Spirit pilots with several pages of quotes directly from this forum. Partially as a result of what was quoted from APC, the judge ruled against the pilots.
Pilots: more often than not, our own worst enemies.
04-24-2020, 02:30 PM
#157
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Originally Posted by HulkaBurger
He doesn't go straight to the media. That stuff all comes from the regular updates.
But why go to the media and tell stories about needing concessions to avoid furloughs? You do know how this works right? Get the public and other work group support against those "rich" pilots... If you think this is leaked unintentionally, I've got bridge to sell if you're interested.
How you all handle this eventual has a direct affect on the rest of us.
04-24-2020, 02:39 PM
#158
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Originally Posted by kingairfun
Understood that it is relayed to the employees first.
But why go to the media and tell stories about needing concessions to avoid furloughs? You do know how this works right? Get the public and other work group support against those "rich" pilots... If you think this is leaked unintentionally, I've got bridge to sell if you're interested.
How you all handle this eventual has a direct affect on the rest of us.
But why go to the media and tell stories about needing concessions to avoid furloughs? You do know how this works right? Get the public and other work group support against those "rich" pilots... If you think this is leaked unintentionally, I've got bridge to sell if you're interested.
How you all handle this eventual has a direct affect on the rest of us.
04-24-2020, 02:43 PM
#159
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Originally Posted by Lewbronski
Another reason not to reveal personal information here like hire dates: management reads this forum. The more specific the demographic info that is provided here, the more easily management can concoct a 51% solution to secure various voting blocs. Remember, despite all of the rhetoric from management, we are cost units. We are a commodity item.
If you don’t believe that management reads these forums, go look up the pleadings filed in federal court by Spirit management against the Spirit pilots with several pages of quotes directly from this forum. Partially as a result of what was quoted from APC, the judge ruled against the pilots.
Pilots: more often than not, our own worst enemies.
If you don’t believe that management reads these forums, go look up the pleadings filed in federal court by Spirit management against the Spirit pilots with several pages of quotes directly from this forum. Partially as a result of what was quoted from APC, the judge ruled against the pilots.
Pilots: more often than not, our own worst enemies.
the Spirit case and others like it had to do with advocating job action which isn’t legal under rla. A much different situation.
04-24-2020, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Tenacvols
The recent update that I watched GK specifically stated that they haven’t approached the unions about any concessions. I haven’t heard anything from SWAPA about the company wanting any concessions either. That leaves me to believe that no concessions have been asked for...
Well the latest RP talks about that.
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