Concession discussions in our future?
04-22-2020 | 07:16 AM
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except it really isn’t out of character. Go read his posts between the SWAPA forum, the FB page (from which he got banned) and the rumor network site. It is not at all out of character.
04-22-2020 | 07:20 AM
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My last carrier furloughed 169 pilots for about six months (approximately if my memory serves me right). We still had some that picked up open time and cptns that even flew FO trips as we had a mechanism to do that.
We will NEVER have a 100% participation rate but still need to do all that’s possible to make such behavior exceedingly frowned upon by our fellow pilots.
Do not expect SWAPA to contribute to that at all as that kind of mandate would obviously involve potential legal risk to our union. It needs to come from a grassroots effort from the pilot group to paint voluntary open time pick up with folks out on furlough as behavior akin to scabbing.
This talk is premature anyway, but perhaps the seed needs to be planted in people’s minds now. As Zap mentioned, this is uncharted territory (should a reduction of staff happen) for many within our ranks.
We will NEVER have a 100% participation rate but still need to do all that’s possible to make such behavior exceedingly frowned upon by our fellow pilots.
Do not expect SWAPA to contribute to that at all as that kind of mandate would obviously involve potential legal risk to our union. It needs to come from a grassroots effort from the pilot group to paint voluntary open time pick up with folks out on furlough as behavior akin to scabbing.
This talk is premature anyway, but perhaps the seed needs to be planted in people’s minds now. As Zap mentioned, this is uncharted territory (should a reduction of staff happen) for many within our ranks.
Every 89 trips picked up from OT is one man-month of employment the pilot group collectively took from a furloughed SWAPA member.
And SWAPA has, at least once (three little pigs), offered concessions to keep guys on property. Like anything this important, it'll come down to the members deciding what's more important to them. I'm prepared to accept the consequences in any case.
In any case, I'm getting out of the TP game and storing Oil in barrels in my basement as my hedge against a furlough. EPA.....What EPA?
04-22-2020 | 08:12 AM
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Furloughed Again?!
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04-22-2020 | 09:08 AM
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Agree with the opinions of the SWAPA board. It takes a large amount of “filtering” and deciphering to get any kind of worthwhile information. Exhausting. I’ve pretty much given it up as well.
Honestly speaking, it would be nice to have a forum for F/Os who have other airline experience. (not a jab at exMil, TYFS)
Honestly speaking, it would be nice to have a forum for F/Os who have other airline experience. (not a jab at exMil, TYFS)
04-22-2020 | 09:29 AM
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Agree with the opinions of the SWAPA board. It takes a large amount of “filtering” and deciphering to get any kind of worthwhile information. Exhausting. I’ve pretty much given it up as well.
Honestly speaking, it would be nice to have a forum for F/Os who have other airline experience. (not a jab at exMil, TYFS)
Honestly speaking, it would be nice to have a forum for F/Os who have other airline experience. (not a jab at exMil, TYFS)
04-22-2020 | 09:34 AM
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04-22-2020 | 09:37 AM
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Loon,
I think people's outlook and financial preparedness decides if they are in the concession or max pay group. I'm very hesitant to do any favors for mr Kelly, as he will not return the favor if/when this is over and we are taking truckloads of cash to the bank.
I would consider a temporary concession in exchange for equity, if it kept people on property. If demand doesn't come back fast though, we are all hosed.
I think people's outlook and financial preparedness decides if they are in the concession or max pay group. I'm very hesitant to do any favors for mr Kelly, as he will not return the favor if/when this is over and we are taking truckloads of cash to the bank.
I would consider a temporary concession in exchange for equity, if it kept people on property. If demand doesn't come back fast though, we are all hosed.
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