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09-28-2021, 01:57 PM
#741
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Posts: 806
Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Who knows… you won’t go wrong with planning for a decade and be surprised if it’s 6-7 years.
09-30-2021, 08:09 PM
#742
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Position: Just a pilot
Posts: 746
Originally Posted by Burton78
We have an absurd amount of simulators at SWA with more on the way. I was just answering what was relayed. I think instructors will be the biggest limiting factor at this point if they try for those numbers. I’m not holding my breath though.
10-01-2021, 04:18 AM
#743
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Position: 737
Posts: 388
Originally Posted by tm602
I see they posted for instructors on icims. What do those guys make?
Of course, this being swa, there is significant opportunity for flexing your pay up depending on how much you want to work. If you work your butt off, you could probably make 50% more than whatever your longevity would otherwise get you.
You can see their contract here:
https://www.twu557.org/images/Documents/contract.pdf
10-01-2021, 12:19 PM
#744
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Position: 737 FO
Posts: 270
Originally Posted by waterskisabersw
They start around $50k, usually get a big bump around the fourth year when they get "captain qualified" (which is at company's discretion) to about $90k, and can top out after 18 years around $130k.
Of course, this being swa, there is significant opportunity for flexing your pay up depending on how much you want to work. If you work your butt off, you could probably make 50% more than whatever your longevity would otherwise get you.
You can see their contract here:
https://www.twu557.org/images/Documents/contract.pdf
Of course, this being swa, there is significant opportunity for flexing your pay up depending on how much you want to work. If you work your butt off, you could probably make 50% more than whatever your longevity would otherwise get you.
You can see their contract here:
https://www.twu557.org/images/Documents/contract.pdf
10-17-2021, 03:44 PM
#746
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Posts: 1,023
Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Copied from another forum. Wonder how upgrade time influences recruitment and retention during a period when every airline is competing for the same pilots? 
Yikes, over 2x the industry avg is not a good metric to be industry leading in.
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10-17-2021, 03:52 PM
#747
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Originally Posted by 4V14T0R
Yikes, over 2x the industry avg is not a good metric to be industry leading in.
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10-17-2021, 07:52 PM
#748
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Originally Posted by 4V14T0R
Yikes, over 2x the industry avg is not a good metric to be industry leading in.
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10-17-2021, 10:37 PM
#749
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Originally Posted by nene
It would seem that this is the biggest pilot negative of having a giant one typy fleet. It allows for the normalization of Captain positions. Having multiple types in multiple parts of the country lends to the kinds of inefficiencies that can mean a company with 14000 plots has 3yr upgrades.
I cringe whenever I hear someone hear say “well I don’t work at United because I don’t want to do long haul.” United doesn’t force you to fly the 777…they’ve ordered just as many MAXs as us and you can have a whole career there flying the thing if you like it.
10-18-2021, 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Proximity
In addition, additional fleet types means that if you like the junior fleet, you can enjoy high relative seniority in that seat. It took me almost six years to hit 50% seniority in a junior base which means a can barely hold weekday crappy east coast flying. My equal at United, ignoring the fact they could hold Captain, has much higher seniority in his seat and can hold all sorts of sweet island and HI flying.
I cringe whenever I hear someone hear say “well I don’t work at United because I don’t want to do long haul.” United doesn’t force you to fly the 777…they’ve ordered just as many MAXs as us and you can have a whole career there flying the thing if you like it.
I cringe whenever I hear someone hear say “well I don’t work at United because I don’t want to do long haul.” United doesn’t force you to fly the 777…they’ve ordered just as many MAXs as us and you can have a whole career there flying the thing if you like it.
Yeah same here. Guys that say stuff like that have one audience in mind...them. They are just trying to confirm their choice since they are locked in.
Honestly, it is just apples to oranges. A legacy carrier with several different fleets is just a completely different career for better and worse. SWA had a few years of growth during a difficult period in the legacy airlines that made it a great place to work back then. Unfortunately, that has changed but the company seems slow to grasp that concept.
Looking forward to a 2022 of growth and positive changes. Who knows, we may even get a contract in two or three years.
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