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Old 09-27-2021 | 12:29 PM
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This company has no clue what it's doing tomorrow, much less next year.
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Old 09-27-2021 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
They want to be a 5000 flight per day airline...


I love the optimism, but we need a whole lot more people on the ground. I hope there's a serious ground ops hiring spree in the works!
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Old 09-27-2021 | 05:50 PM
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So 2621 WARN letters next year?
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Old 09-27-2021 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DownAndDirty
This company has no clue what it's doing tomorrow, much less next year.
Seriously?!?!

I am not a company guy but our ivory tower brain trust has weathered an incredible storm in the best condition of any the major airlines, with the least debt, with the greatest airframe and training facility flexibility for expansion among the major airlines. Period

Their greatest weakness is labor to meet the expansion goals. We need to leverage the position we are in. This opportunity for labor advances may not come again for decades.
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Old 09-27-2021 | 06:53 PM
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WOW. Impressive numbers. I’d hate to impede that by getting a costly, industry leading contract.
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Old 09-28-2021 | 06:14 AM
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1400 new hires and 1150 upgrades really isn’t a lot when you consider we have about 600 retirements total for 2020, 2021, 2022 plus another 550 early retirements on the VSP. There were very few 63 or 64 year olds that took VSP so those numbers are just replacement hiring for the past 2 years plus attrition for next year. There’s no way all 1400 new hires would stay so the company needs to over hire or improve the contract to improve retention.
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Old 09-28-2021 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by rightseat
I am not a company guy but our ivory tower brain trust has weathered an incredible storm in the best condition of any the major airlines, with the least debt, with the greatest airframe and training facility flexibility for expansion among the major airlines. Period

Their greatest weakness is labor to meet the expansion goals. We need to leverage the position we are in. This opportunity for labor advances may not come again for decades.
To be an APC "cool kid" you have to pontificate in detail about every misstep and refuse to believe there is any possibility of good news. I remember reading on APC that it takes ten years to hold ATL, upgrade will be 15 years, and so on.

The company will expand or contract it's flying based on market demands, not as a negotiating tactic. For sure the company going to negotiate very hard, but not everything they put out is propaganda.

The current hiring and upgrade plans basically put us back to 2019 staffing levels. To serve the new markets and fly the planes coming next year hiring and upgrading will need at run full speed.
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Old 09-28-2021 | 09:51 AM
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post-town hall meeting, etc

any "revised" upgrade times, for a guy hired today?
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Old 09-28-2021 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by hercretired
post-town hall meeting, etc

any "revised" upgrade times, for a guy hired today?

Who knows… you won’t go wrong with planning for a decade and be surprised if it’s 6-7 years.
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Old 09-28-2021 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Proximity
To be an APC "cool kid" you have to pontificate in detail about every misstep and refuse to believe there is any possibility of good news. I remember reading on APC that it takes ten years to hold ATL, upgrade will be 15 years, and so on.

The company will expand or contract it's flying based on market demands, not as a negotiating tactic. For sure the company going to negotiate very hard, but not everything they put out is propaganda.

The current hiring and upgrade plans basically put us back to 2019 staffing levels. To serve the new markets and fly the planes coming next year hiring and upgrading will need at run full speed.
Yup.

Also, don't forget that there was absolutely, positively, no way we were ever going to manage to find our way to HI.
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