Scheduling's tricks, and traps.
03-02-2017 | 05:38 AM
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Unless it's changed in the FOM it's 45 minutes prior to check in and 35 prior at the aircraft. But that doesn't really matter. No where does it say you need to check in at 2:15. Just be ready to push at 3 hours.
03-02-2017 | 05:41 AM
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Basically if you have a 8am call out, you just have to be ready to push of the gate by 11am i8f you answer the phone at 8am, but if you let it go to voice mail and wait the 15 min to let call back and be notified, then you have to be ready to push at 11:15am.
03-02-2017 | 05:44 AM
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The difference is that you are only responsible for being ready for departure for yourself only. If you arrive at the aircraft and it is not ready for departure it is not your responsibility. My other point is that you are not required to be there 45 min during your 3hr callout. look up the new hire guide put out by ALPA recently where they clarify this.
03-02-2017 | 05:47 AM
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For a line holder the show time is 45 min prior to push checking in (in the crew room) and 35min prior at the aircraft.
For a reserve you have 3 hrs from notification to be at the gate ready to depart. The question is what does "ready to depart" mean. Does it mean you set and ready to start your job or having the plane ready to push.
For a reserve you have 3 hrs from notification to be at the gate ready to depart. The question is what does "ready to depart" mean. Does it mean you set and ready to start your job or having the plane ready to push.
03-02-2017 | 05:52 AM
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The difference is that you are only responsible for being ready for departure for yourself only. If you arrive at the aircraft and it is not ready for departure it is not your responsibility. My other point is that you are not required to be there 45 min during your 3hr callout. look up the new hire guide put out by ALPA recently where they clarify this.
Also let's say the plane is there no mx issues and they get everyone on normally. Are you responsible for being ready to push within 3 hrs of notification or can you just stroll up to the gate 3hrs from notification and then sit down and take another half hourish to be ready to push?
03-02-2017 | 06:04 AM
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The new hire guide says at the gate ready to depart just like the contract. It's not clear.
Also let's say the plane is there no mx issues and they get everyone on normally. Are you responsible for being ready to push within 3 hrs of notification or can you just stroll up to the gate 3hrs from notification and then sit down and take another half hourish to be ready to push?
Also let's say the plane is there no mx issues and they get everyone on normally. Are you responsible for being ready to push within 3 hrs of notification or can you just stroll up to the gate 3hrs from notification and then sit down and take another half hourish to be ready to push?
03-02-2017 | 06:45 AM
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That goes without saying I think. The point is you need to have yourself arriving at the airplane so that you are able to push within 3hrs assuming the operation holds up their end.
03-02-2017 | 06:57 AM
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The 15 minute call back window does not add 15 minutes to you 3 hours. It's 3 hours to push from the initial attempt to contact.
If you are on reserve, what difference does it make if you get the extra 4.5 hours? You are working for 72 hours until you go over. Have you ever broken guarantee on reserve?
Not to point out the obvious, but most airlines do not have trip averaging. Most airlines, worst regional up to double breasted Delta, have block-or-better by leg...not trip averaging.
If you are on reserve, what difference does it make if you get the extra 4.5 hours? You are working for 72 hours until you go over. Have you ever broken guarantee on reserve?
Not to point out the obvious, but most airlines do not have trip averaging. Most airlines, worst regional up to double breasted Delta, have block-or-better by leg...not trip averaging.
03-02-2017 | 07:15 AM
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The 15 minute call back window does not add 15 minutes to you 3 hours. It's 3 hours to push from the initial attempt to contact.
If you are on reserve, what difference does it make if you get the extra 4.5 hours? You are working for 72 hours until you go over. Have you ever broken guarantee on reserve?
Not to point out the obvious, but most airlines do not have trip averaging. Most airlines, worst regional up to double breasted Delta, have block-or-better by leg...not trip averaging.
If you are on reserve, what difference does it make if you get the extra 4.5 hours? You are working for 72 hours until you go over. Have you ever broken guarantee on reserve?
Not to point out the obvious, but most airlines do not have trip averaging. Most airlines, worst regional up to double breasted Delta, have block-or-better by leg...not trip averaging.
Trip averaging is you have a two day trip that flys 6hrs on day one and 2hrs on day two. Trip pays 9hrs because it's averaged to 4.5 per day. It doesn't pay 6hrs plus 4.5 for 10.5 credit. That's averaging and just like us most have it save FedEx
You are correct though that our contract does not pay block or better on a leg by leg basis which is unheard of. However you have been paid block or better on a leg by leg basis since 2010 if you haven't noticed. It is the status quo so they cannot change it in negotiations and I'd expect that language to be added in the next agreement.
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03-02-2017 | 07:25 AM
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