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05-04-2017, 02:53 AM
#32
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 184
Originally Posted by Trowserchilli
You can rest assured someone on that list will file a law suit over this.
Anything noticeably different the company can prove in pilot actions before negotiations vs during can be construed as an illegal job action.
Don't take my word for it. Look up the case law.
Anything noticeably different the company can prove in pilot actions before negotiations vs during can be construed as an illegal job action.
Don't take my word for it. Look up the case law.
2.) As far as I can tell the lack of motivation to answer the phone directly correlates to Bobby calling for a "cost neutral or cheaper contract."
05-04-2017, 03:55 AM
#33
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Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 119
Originally Posted by 390SetBlue
1.) File a law suit? For what? Publishing facts? The names on that list were fairly accurate from just quickly looking it over.
2.) As far as I can tell the lack of motivation to answer the phone directly correlates to Bobby calling for a "cost neutral or cheaper contract."
2.) As far as I can tell the lack of motivation to answer the phone directly correlates to Bobby calling for a "cost neutral or cheaper contract."
05-04-2017, 08:20 AM
#34
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Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: B756 FO
Posts: 1,288
Originally Posted by 390SetBlue
1.) File a law suit? For what? Publishing facts? The names on that list were fairly accurate from just quickly looking it over.
2.) As far as I can tell the lack of motivation to answer the phone directly correlates to Bobby calling for a "cost neutral or cheaper contract."
2.) As far as I can tell the lack of motivation to answer the phone directly correlates to Bobby calling for a "cost neutral or cheaper contract."
Or maybe it's the notion of trying to shame/intimidate your fellow pilots into a work slow down or illegal job action? Forget the feelings of the pilots on the list, as I am sure your negotiators are thrilled to have to face the company that is now armed with probably a fair amount of information/screen shots of guys encouraging a slow down and harassing those that aren't "cooperating". I'm not even a Spirit pilot and I'm hearing some absolutely stupid things being posted on chat groups under pilots full names...
I really do want you guys to get an industry leading contract, but do it with the least amount of casualties as a result of trying to intimidate guys into a slow down. Look at how that worked for us at United several
years back. Spoiler alert, we didn't prevail.
05-04-2017, 08:32 AM
#35
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Joined APC: Feb 2016
Position: A320
Posts: 98
Originally Posted by 390SetBlue
1.) File a law suit? For what? Publishing facts? The names on that list were fairly accurate from just quickly looking it over.
2.) As far as I can tell the lack of motivation to answer the phone directly correlates to Bobby calling for a "cost neutral or cheaper contract."
2.) As far as I can tell the lack of motivation to answer the phone directly correlates to Bobby calling for a "cost neutral or cheaper contract."
Last edited by FreeSmiles; 05-04-2017 at 09:07 AM.
05-04-2017, 01:03 PM
#36
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 708
It went beyond "Publishing Facts." It posted personal information, "Million dollar house," name calling, "whorse" and slander "Don't care about you or your family."
Yet even if it were strictly Facts, it's still not cool. Everything said above applies: dischord, paper (electronic) trail, personal attacks.
Bottom line, every pilot is allowed to Fly The Contract.
(But you won't see me on my days off.)
Yet even if it were strictly Facts, it's still not cool. Everything said above applies: dischord, paper (electronic) trail, personal attacks.
Bottom line, every pilot is allowed to Fly The Contract.
(But you won't see me on my days off.)
05-04-2017, 06:54 PM
#37
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 775
Real problem is when you have a pilot get 160 credit plus a month equals one captain position. You are directly screwing a guy out of the left seat. Do the math it's a professional insult to call it anything else! It's not his right to fly 200 credit hours a month. Deal are being cut and this crap needs to end. This group has been beat down so much it's the norm to say it's ok.
05-06-2017, 07:08 AM
#38
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 49
As far as I'm concerned, up until that website was published this mess was on the company. Now it's on the pilots.
Some of the pilots on that website walked the picket line the last go around. You may not like this contract today, but it was hard fought. Picking up opentime is allowed by the contract. No one should end up on a "list" because of it.
It was a pretty immature stunt, and may be costly too.
I take direction from the MEC, not from some rogue pilot.
Some of the pilots on that website walked the picket line the last go around. You may not like this contract today, but it was hard fought. Picking up opentime is allowed by the contract. No one should end up on a "list" because of it.
It was a pretty immature stunt, and may be costly too.
I take direction from the MEC, not from some rogue pilot.
Last edited by splat; 05-06-2017 at 07:24 AM.
05-06-2017, 07:31 AM
#39
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
Originally Posted by splat
As far as I'm concerned, up until that website was published this mess was on the company. Now it's on the pilots.
Some of the pilots on that website walked the picket line the last go around. You may not like this contract today, but it was hard fought. Picking up opentime is allowed by the contract. No one should end up on a "list" because of it.
It was a pretty immature stunt, and may be costly too.
I take direction from the MEC, not from some rogue pilot.
Some of the pilots on that website walked the picket line the last go around. You may not like this contract today, but it was hard fought. Picking up opentime is allowed by the contract. No one should end up on a "list" because of it.
It was a pretty immature stunt, and may be costly too.
I take direction from the MEC, not from some rogue pilot.
Btw some pilots also picked up during furlough. It was contractually legal but that doesn't make it right.
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