Just because they offered it doesn't mean we have to accept it man...

 

So that transition drop "every other month" is worth more to you than industry standard pay with PBS? Also, if the "a lot of us" is the minority then how come the ALPA polling said differently?

 

Like I said, they aren't offering industry standard pay... You keep talking about industry standard pay being worth something. If they had offered it, we would have a conversation, but they aren't offering it.

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Dammit man no one is saying transition is more important than those things. We are saying to not be so flippant towards getting rid of it. It has real value that those statements only undermine. In-base people could argue that 4 days off only screws them out of lines with all weekends off and they’d be right. That said it is a work rule that shouldn’t just be given away.

 

omg they aren't offering it which is why our mec walked away. I think you are under the impression that we can either accept the current company offer or that's it which if that was the case we would have gotten this over with a long time ago.

 

Did I ever say that it should "just be given away"?

 

The 5 hr per day WILL be in the new contract? That was the company proposal, not the ALPA proposal. 5 hrs is a slap in the face... especially with PBS. Your post is the perfect example of how the company has been able to manage your expectations.

 

You sure about that? You sure a 5 hour min duty period wasn’t also the final ALPA proposal as well? The only difference being that ALPA wanted implementation on day 1 and the company wanted it when PBS was implemented. You sure? Because the ALPA NC website says they are both 5 hours for the min duty period.

It’s unknown if/what ALPA will ask for in the form of a min duty period with any inclusion in PBS, but as of now, the last ALPA proposal had a 5 hour min duty period, as did the company.

I won’t end with some smart “educate yourself” line like you chose to. Instead I suggest you visit the Spirit ALPA website and review the final offer we gave to the company and where we differ and where we agree. This is our most recent offer we presented. Guess what, we both have presented 5 hour min duty days. So the statement of it not being an ALPA proposal is inaccurate.

 

Min duty period is a joke anyway. How many 4 day trips do we have with only 3 duty periods and a 21hr overnight. Hello 15hr 4 day. And the 4.2/1 is never triggered.

MIN CALENDAR DAY!

 

1:3.5 is a must along with better pay rates!