Summer meltdown
08-05-2021 | 06:50 PM
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08-05-2021 | 07:39 PM
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08-05-2021 | 07:51 PM
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The fact we haven’t heard from Ted is borderline Dereliction of duty. Not that any one man can untie this knot but I think as a leader it’s pretty crazy we, as employees haven’t heard anything. I have faith in most of our management, Ted included but this silence has been deafening. In professional sports, a performance like this would result in a mass firing and this isn’t football, it’s people’s livelihoods. Meltdowns happen and always will .. but if I don’t do a go around on unstable approach or fail a check ride I get held accountable .. that’s part of the job.. perhaps someone in the C suite should get held accountable too … the board is watching Ted .
Just as if you were un-stable on an approach during your line check and got DQ’ed the company is NOT going to send a mass email to every Spirit employee or Spirit pilot stating that Captain FlyGuy2002 and First Officer Halon1211 got removed from flying status by a LCKA because they were unstable and neither pilot did anything about it.
08-05-2021 | 09:46 PM
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I’d say that rather than finding an executive to fire/blame, we should focus on getting the executive team to make changes to prevent this in the future, and give them our best info/advice. Same reasons you don’t fire a CA for making a mistake, but you ask for an ASAP report to get data that may help prevent repeat mistakes.
Side note, I think they need to throw some cash at gate/ticket agents to get them to stay. Too many have quit this week. I fear we may not have enough to escape serious disruptions from this in the near future.
Side note, I think they need to throw some cash at gate/ticket agents to get them to stay. Too many have quit this week. I fear we may not have enough to escape serious disruptions from this in the near future.
08-05-2021 | 09:52 PM
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It is the Information Age…
Unless there is some ransom ware or denial of service attack that we don’t know about, scheduling ought to be able to deal with 1500 pilots emailing them or texting them fairly easily. Being on hold for four hours - or having an email go without reply for a day is simply unacceptable.
08-05-2021 | 10:15 PM
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Yes and I fear that unfortunately this nearly WEEK LONG F-UP Spirit is conducting is going to reverberate throughout the industry, because with this administration they love nothing more than to impose some new govt regulations to "make sure this never happens again"....
08-06-2021 | 04:01 AM
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I’d say that rather than finding an executive to fire/blame, we should focus on getting the executive team to make changes to prevent this in the future, and give them our best info/advice. Same reasons you don’t fire a CA for making a mistake, but you ask for an ASAP report to get data that may help prevent repeat mistakes.
Side note, I think they need to throw some cash at gate/ticket agents to get them to stay. Too many have quit this week. I fear we may not have enough to escape serious disruptions from this in the near future.
Side note, I think they need to throw some cash at gate/ticket agents to get them to stay. Too many have quit this week. I fear we may not have enough to escape serious disruptions from this in the near future.
Of course not.
This isn’t a 2021 “thing”. Bendo has been involved in every meltdown since he has been here. Remember, for those hired in the last few years, the Spirit summer meltdown is not the exception to the rule, it IS the rule. So those of us who have seen this say 7-10 times, this is unfortunately the norm.
Teddy said yesterday to the news media cancelations will go into next week.
Remember a few days ago the topic was all this premium pay the company would possibly offer to get the operation back? Haven’t seen a minute of it offered.
08-06-2021 | 04:12 AM
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And if we had a CA who once a year crashed a plane that cost $50mil in damages. So we keep asking him to file ASAPs so we can “learn?”
Of course not.
This isn’t a 2021 “thing”. Bendo has been involved in every meltdown since he has been here. Remember, for those hired in the last few years, the Spirit summer meltdown is not the exception to the rule, it IS the rule. So those of us who have seen this say 7-10 times, this is unfortunately the norm.
Teddy said yesterday to the news media cancelations will go into next week.
Remember a few days ago the topic was all this premium pay the company would possibly offer to get the operation back? Haven’t seen a minute of it offered.
Of course not.
This isn’t a 2021 “thing”. Bendo has been involved in every meltdown since he has been here. Remember, for those hired in the last few years, the Spirit summer meltdown is not the exception to the rule, it IS the rule. So those of us who have seen this say 7-10 times, this is unfortunately the norm.
Teddy said yesterday to the news media cancelations will go into next week.
Remember a few days ago the topic was all this premium pay the company would possibly offer to get the operation back? Haven’t seen a minute of it offered.
I think they let it get too far off the rails to have premium pay work. They need to start that early and aggressively. They need to start cancelling early and aggressively. Instead they waited until no one knew where anyone was and everyone was timing out out of position. Management should see the signs of a melt down and take action then. Not when we’re already deep into it.
08-06-2021 | 08:00 AM
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The only thing that gets me in my time here is the poor training of ground personnel ( not their fault) and the lack of staffing. Prior to this there were little things I would have considered frustrating but ultimately just amplified because of who spirit is and or the reputation and that i work here and a professional when working as well..
I can honestly say from the lack of communication from management and the apparent buried head in the sand attitude that I'll now be applying elsewhere. Again. Seems that this is also shared by people in my new hire class and at least 2 captains..
I can honestly say from the lack of communication from management and the apparent buried head in the sand attitude that I'll now be applying elsewhere. Again. Seems that this is also shared by people in my new hire class and at least 2 captains..
08-06-2021 | 08:10 AM
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It seems a good first step would be to bring all under the wing and customer service roles back under Spirit and not subcontracted to the lowest bidder.
IF, and that’s a big IF, their goal is to make changes, it’s very hard to do when outsourcing it all. Most of the ramp agents took 35-50% pay cuts when they were “transitioned” from Spirit employees to outsourced DGS or whoever won that contract. People can get $15 working at McDonalds now, why would they take less to be screamed at about late flights or missing bags
DGS is paying $12-$14/hr for these jobs.
IF, and that’s a big IF, their goal is to make changes, it’s very hard to do when outsourcing it all. Most of the ramp agents took 35-50% pay cuts when they were “transitioned” from Spirit employees to outsourced DGS or whoever won that contract. People can get $15 working at McDonalds now, why would they take less to be screamed at about late flights or missing bags
DGS is paying $12-$14/hr for these jobs.
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