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Old 08-04-2021 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Serious investment in our systems/schedulers/IT needs to happen if growth is expected. So many of these issues would have been solved if we could have contacted someone.

If they plan on doubling in size in the next 5 years with their current IT, we are going to see lots more of this.
You’re right but you can’t IT your way out of warm bodies needed to throw bags, marshal/push airplanes, and pull tickets. We are in the business of exploiting cheap labor and isn’t possible these days so you gotta pay up. Minimal referral bonuses aren’t going to do it.
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Old 08-04-2021 | 02:11 PM
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Welcome to the ULCC. Nothing will change. Can’t wait to revisit this thread in 2022 - as I’m sure the hold times are about a year Long with scheduling.
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Old 08-04-2021 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2021
The 700 number is accurate, and reflects current and updated applications (not old apps that haven't been touched in months).
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Old 08-04-2021 | 02:27 PM
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I love this hahaha.
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Old 08-04-2021 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dualinput
You’re right but you can’t IT your way out of warm bodies needed to throw bags, marshal/push airplanes, and pull tickets. We are in the business of exploiting cheap labor and isn’t possible these days so you gotta pay up. Minimal referral bonuses aren’t going to do it.
It’s pretty apparent that a shortage of ground and gate personnel isn’t why the phone trees and scheduling system went down. The former things lead to 1-2 hour delays, are generally recoverable and everyone is fighting through it this summer. The fact that our IT infrastructure went down repeatedly and that it takes 45 minutes to reboot it each time was far more the cause than lack of warm bodies doing the grunt work.
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Old 08-04-2021 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by FNGFO
It’s pretty apparent that a shortage of ground and gate personnel isn’t why the phone trees and scheduling system went down. The former things lead to 1-2 hour delays, are generally recoverable and everyone is fighting through it this summer. The fact that our IT infrastructure went down repeatedly and that it takes 45 minutes to reboot it each time was far more the cause than lack of warm bodies doing the grunt work.
I never head of any IT issues other scheduling phone problems. And we wouldn’t need that volume of calls if everything weren’t delayed and cancelled because of lack of personal to move the operation prior to and after the pilots take over.

I didn’t know the entire “system” went down
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Old 08-04-2021 | 03:24 PM
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This is truly starting to rival the meltdown of Summer 2015 where there was a ‘pro quo’ (still waiting on my ****ing quid!)…. And the Spring 2017 where the grid, to be green, had to be -20 something for IOT and yet it was the pilots fault, and we got sued…. Things really do never change here regardless what management wants people to think. We’ve been down this road so many times, it’s time for some leadership change at the VP/SVP level, as some of those people, despite multiple instances of this happening, haven’t changed a damn thing. How are they still employed?!
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Old 08-04-2021 | 03:31 PM
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You gotta wonder what the on again - off again ops center transfer to Tennessee cost in experienced personnel bailing in advance of the move. At 2020 flying levels the loss of experience might not have been noticeable, but at 750 flights per day perhaps they just didn’t have the experienced people to make it work.
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Old 08-04-2021 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by dualinput
I never head of any IT issues other scheduling phone problems. And we wouldn’t need that volume of calls if everything weren’t delayed and cancelled because of lack of personal to move the operation prior to and after the pilots take over.

I didn’t know the entire “system” went down
The entire system kept crashing requiring lengthy reboots. It was in one of the company emails. Phone tree failures don’t lead to the crewing failures. At least not on the scale that has happened over the last week. We’ve been short handed all summer. Sitting off the gate for 45 minutes isn’t unusual. Neither is one gate agent running gate to gate trying to work multiple flights. While inconvenient, those didn’t lead to meltdowns. While there were many issues leading to this, there was really only two main things that did it. Shortage of non crew staffing was not the proximate cause.
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Old 08-04-2021 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
You gotta wonder what the on again - off again ops center transfer to Tennessee cost in experienced personnel bailing in advance of the move. At 2020 flying levels the loss of experience might not have been noticeable, but at 750 flights per day perhaps they just didn’t have the experienced people to make it work.
I’m sure not everyone wanted to up and move to Orlando when they decided to split the OCC.
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