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Old 04-14-2022 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Popeye0537
So a 767 doesn't have "Real " first class? Dammit!!
It most definitely (on UAL, back in the day) does not. T7 was waaaaay better than 76. Especially the IAD-BRU-IAD where on the 76 the captain would have his 15 minute PA, followed by the "language qualified" FA translating into "french" and "dutch" and you couldn't pause your movie because the PA was in progress. Seats weren't full lay flat either.
Old 04-14-2022 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Real first class means you turn left when you get on the plane, while others go right. That’s real first class. Steerage never even walks past you.
REAL first class is a golfer saying "no thanks, my G5 is on the way" when Phil Mickelson offers you a ride back from Augusta to LA....
(obviously not to me, but I heard him say it)
Old 04-14-2022 | 05:31 PM
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If the police got Porsche Panameras we’d look like Delta at the gates.
Old 04-15-2022 | 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
Yeah, no prob. Getting cranky about all the JB people complaining about RS with all those young NK pilots. I am 20% at NK, have 10 more years to go, and going back to 50% RS doesn't really sound fair to me.
That does sound like a crap deal. It's like being at Jetblue for 19 years, 10 years left, around 500 on the seniority list and having 3-400 40 year olds jump on the list in front of me that have been at Spirit for 10 years or less. That is also a crap deal.
Old 04-15-2022 | 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by keysersose
That does sound like a crap deal. It's like being at Jetblue for 19 years, 10 years left, around 500 on the seniority list and having 3-400 40 year olds jump on the list in front of me that have been at Spirit for 10 years or less. That is also a crap deal.
It’s going to hurt for everyone in one way or another if this does end up happening. But let’s deal in facts. If it’s in the 3-400 range like you say, none of those people have been at NK for 10 years or less, more like 15-25 years. I’m just coming up on 10 years and I’m double that number.
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Originally Posted by keysersose
That does sound like a crap deal. It's like being at Jetblue for 19 years, 10 years left, around 500 on the seniority list and having 3-400 40 year olds jump on the list in front of me that have been at Spirit for 10 years or less. That is also a crap deal.
Just do it strictly by age if that’s all you’re worried about. That way you’ll for sure be number 1 at least a day.
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Originally Posted by minnymum
Just do it strictly by age if that’s all you’re worried about. That way you’ll for sure be number 1 at least a day.

That misses the point completely and I'm guessing purposely.

The above poster is correct. Everyone needs to be prepared for some pain.
Old 04-15-2022 | 05:38 AM
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I’m just a caveman. Your world scares me with its mobile phones, microwave ovens and moving pictures on a flat box. But if there’s one thing I know it’s that life is still pretty d**n sweet being #700 at a 7300 pilot airline instead of #400.
Old 04-15-2022 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by FNGFO
I’m just a caveman. Your world scares me with its mobile phones, microwave ovens and moving pictures on a flat box. But if there’s one thing I know it’s that life is still pretty d**n sweet being #700 at a 7300 pilot airline instead of #400.

It would need to be super sweet because with half the people ahead being younger it will not get better over time.
Old 04-15-2022 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by keysersose
That does sound like a crap deal. It's like being at Jetblue for 19 years, 10 years left, around 500 on the seniority list and having 3-400 40 year olds jump on the list in front of me that have been at Spirit for 10 years or less. That is also a crap deal.
Sorry, but BS. If we go straight RS you would at most get 330 ahead, and 170 of those were hired before you. At most an extra 160 jump ahead, and for sure some of those are 55+. (math matters)

Assuming the same age distribution for the top 20% (50% retirements in 10 years) as NK, with no merger, you should go from 10% current to 5% at the end.
If we go DOH, you will get about 170 NK pilots ahead. if NONE of those retire (not likely) and half of the JB above retire, you will go from 9% to 5%.
If we go RS, you will stay at 11% RS at day of merger. With 0% growth, half of the JB pilots ahead of you older than you , and EVERY single NK pilot above you younger than you (not remotely likely), you will retire at 8%, a maximum 3% loss vs DOH.
I am at 20% RS now and will retire at 10% RS if we don't merge.
If we go RS, at merger I will stay at 20%, and with 50% retirements will retire at 10%.
If we go DOH I will go from 20% to 38%, and with 50% retirements will retire at 19%, a minimum 9% loss vs RS.

All based on 0% growth, although we have deliveries scheduled for over 10% for the next 3 years (no use looking further), and your own merger proposal shows 3% growth for those years without the merger.

So with DOH my loss is bigger at the end by a decent margin, but it's mostly the first years where I go from senior line holder to commuting to just above reserve, and you will stay in the same spot.
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