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Old 08-16-2022 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by SlimBob
Shifting to blue planes I would lose 8% on a 50/50 split. Being that B6 will be retiring pilots at a rate of 4-5:1 for each NK retirement I make that up in a couple years. Nothing to cause sleep loss. I suspect that is true for most at NK. Let's focus on that JCBA.
More importantly- Do B6 planes have foot warmers? My tootsies get cold on long flights.
Foot warmers?! (Sucks they deactivated them in 535 & 536…) I want brake fans!!!!
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Old 08-16-2022 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by SlimBob
Shifting to blue planes I would lose 8% on a 50/50 split. Being that B6 will be retiring pilots at a rate of 4-5:1 for each NK retirement I make that up in a couple years. Nothing to cause sleep loss. I suspect that is true for most at NK. Let's focus on that JCBA.
More importantly- Do B6 planes have foot warmers? My tootsies get cold on long flights.
This is the true and correct way to view the issue...

Sorry, no foot warmers except on the LR/XLR.
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Old 08-16-2022 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
This is the true and correct way to view the issue...

Sorry, no foot warmers except on the LR/XLR.
I don’t think that’s entirely true. The last two NEOs I’ve flown had foot warmers. At least, they had the switches. I didn’t use them. They were the 3NS (Mint NEO) planes. Mint 2.0 planes?
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Old 08-16-2022 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Tranquility
If we go straight relative, I lose nothing (obviously, this outcome won’t happen). If we go straight DOH, I’d lose more than 17% (another outcome that wouldn’t happen). Split the difference, I still lose more than 8%, a suboptimal outcome for someone who is currently projected to retire a narrow-body Captain at less than 1% relative seniority (not quite singe digit #, but very close).

It’s pointless to fret over it though, I control NOTHING when it comes to SLI. I’ll sweat over something I can somewhat control (the negotiations of a JCBA).

I am exactly the inverse of this. One of us will be unhappy. 😂
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Old 08-16-2022 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by PSU Flyer
I don’t think that’s entirely true. The last two NEOs I’ve flown had foot warmers. At least, they had the switches. I didn’t use them. They were the 3NS (Mint NEO) planes. Mint 2.0 planes?
You might be correct. Haven't flown Mint 2.0 yet.
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Old 08-16-2022 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Cockpit997
I am exactly the inverse of this. One of us will be unhappy. 😂
Probably gonna be 60-40 or 50/50 seniority vs relative... Both gonna be equally unhappy.
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Old 08-16-2022 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Probably gonna be 60-40 or 50/50 seniority vs relative... Both gonna be equally unhappy.
People keep calculating like the seniority changes will be linear. They won’t be. The guys at the bottom are so junior they won’t be affected at all. The guys at the very top will STILL be at the very top - just of a larger group. The guys/gals who joined NK for the three year upgrade will take a hit, but last I looked there were still almost 200 FOs in NK senior to the junior NK CA. Even upgrade clearly isn’t that big a deal to everyone compared to QOL issues.

As long as the JCBA is a good one, I really doubt the SLI will hurt anyone much. That won’t mean there won’t be b’tching, b’itching about SLIs is a long established pilot pastime, but damn few are going to have any serious gripes.
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Old 08-16-2022 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
People keep calculating like the seniority changes will be linear. They won’t be. The guys at the bottom are so junior they won’t be affected at all. The guys at the very top will STILL be at the very top - just of a larger group. The guys/gals who joined NK for the three year upgrade will take a hit, but last I looked there were still almost 200 FOs in NK senior to the junior NK CA. Even upgrade clearly isn’t that big a deal to everyone compared to QOL issues.

As long as the JCBA is a good one, I really doubt the SLI will hurt anyone much. That won’t mean there won’t be b’tching, b’itching about SLIs is a long established pilot pastime, but damn few are going to have any serious gripes.
The gripes will be universal fairly quickly. A 3% pay raise in record hiring environment and another botched base/equipment displacement will have pilots howling like coyotes.

The NK/B6 combined list MCO situation will be a tsunami across the entire airline.
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Old 08-16-2022 | 10:42 AM
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Forget about foot warmers and brake fans...do JB planes have 2 jumpseats?
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Old 08-16-2022 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
As long as the JCBA is a good one, I really doubt the SLI will hurt anyone much. That won’t mean there won’t be b’tching, b’itching about SLIs is a long established pilot pastime, but damn few are going to have any serious gripes.
Originally Posted by povertyeagle
The gripes will be universal fairly quickly. A 3% pay raise in record hiring environment and another botched base/equipment displacement will have pilots howling like coyotes.
Since management MUST come to the pilots for the JCBA, if the pilots actually settle for 3% and QOL degradation, it will be self-inflicted punishment on the part of the combined pilot group.

It’s a rare opportunity for the pilots to have such leverage - usually it’s management that wants to drag things out - but it certainly is something that the combined MECs can botch if it isn’t handled right.
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