Why is the SLI going to be "ugly" for those that are JR? If they are JR, they are at the bottom. They will be at the bottom no matter what formula is used... For them it's a non-event. It shouldn't be that "ugly" for anyone. The most recent example of a similar integration was nearly even weight given to years vs percentage. It's a good compromise where most everyone loses some, but it's not a windfall/catastrophe. Drama much?

 

That ^^^

If the SLI moves anyone’s seniority by more than 3-4% I’ll be amazed. Not that people won’t whine about that 3-4% for decades.

 

50/50 DOH/RS moves some NK pilots significantly higher than 3-4% off their current RS. Not saying it still won't happen that way because there's no perfect answer no matter how it ends up.

 

we’ll kind of like all the other baseless BS opinions that are spewed on this website. But keep telling yourselves this SLI will be seamless. It looks like the word is out, hence why the bottom portions of your seniority lists are revolving doors right now.

For someone new looking at your companies for bases and upgrades, you’ll probably bypass and go somewhere else

 

Who do you work for? Why so much angst?

The revolving door at NK has been open all year. The JB announcement hasn’t changed a thing. FL bases are and will be attainable for FOs. Upgrades into those bases are a different story.

 

I don't understand your point. If you are at the bottom of either list, you will be at the bottom of the combined list. THAT'S JUST HOW IT WORKS! And if you're at the bottom, because you are junior, why would you care how the senior and mid-senior guys get integrated??? It doesn't matter and newbs don't care as it doesn't affect them.

I don't think you have a dog in this fight and are just here stirring up drama.

 

I do think you will see some larger swings in pockets of the seniority list. But for reasons that take longer to explain, and wouldn't change the outcome anyway, they are necessary to be fair overall, and still will neither amount to a windfall nor a catastrophe.

 

If we go straight relative, I lose nothing (obviously, this outcome won’t happen). If we go straight DOH, I’d lose more than 17% (another outcome that wouldn’t happen). Split the difference, I still lose more than 8%, a suboptimal outcome for someone who is currently projected to retire a narrow-body Captain at less than 1% relative seniority (not quite singe digit #, but very close).

It’s pointless to fret over it though, I control NOTHING when it comes to SLI. I’ll sweat over something I can somewhat control (the negotiations of a JCBA).

 

All true. What someone in your position will fail to consider, or care about, is what someone on the other side loses for you to keep 100% relative seniority. Not criticizing you, it's just pilot-nature. For you to lose nothing, someone with several more years of seniority, who WOULD have much better future seniority progression, would have hundreds or possibly 1,000+ guys with fewer years and an average age younger than them placed ahead of them. So while you would lose nothing with full relative, guys on the other side would lose most of their FUTURE seniority progression. You know how important that is as you have already looked ahead at your future seniority progression and very much look forward to it.

With such a diametrically opposed seniority/age profile between the two companies, there is no perfect answer. All (virtually all) will have to compromise and give up some of their current or future seniority. It's gonna sting for most of us a little, but ultimately won't be a windfall or catastrophe.

 

Shifting to blue planes I would lose 8% on a 50/50 split. Being that B6 will be retiring pilots at a rate of 4-5:1 for each NK retirement I make that up in a couple years. Nothing to cause sleep loss. I suspect that is true for most at NK. Let's focus on that JCBA.
More importantly- Do B6 planes have foot warmers? My tootsies get cold on long flights.