When I did new hire OE, my 25 hrs went in 6 flights over 2 weeks. I did 1 PM flight and did 5 PF. Got 5 landings, and when I was released to the line, I was rusty on the PNF stuff. I know it's different now, but maybe a few more legs of PNF would be good for new FO's?

07-29-2015 | 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Pepper

So we are already to the point where we are hiring people that need 35 hours to finish IOE? If so that's frightening.

I never said anything about new hires. I said everyone will get more. Personally, I have a lot more issues with upgrades on OE than new hires. Upgrade is not a right. Study and come prepared.

New OE workbooks will be out soon too. They should be on link shortly after. Study, study, study.

07-29-2015 | 08:01 AM

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Guys, don't sell yourselves short. Upgrade should be paid at the award date. That applies pressure to get you into training as soon as possible. I was held for three months, flying my nice FO line at Captain rates. You guys want more sims? Paying a lot of FOs as Captains because of training backlogs is a great incentive. And hell, even if the new sims never come, you still win.

I agree, however, we have much larger issues to handle first. We have captains being paid like FO's after they are signed off.

07-29-2015 | 08:04 AM

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I certainly don't have a problem with 35hrs for CA OE, but 35 for an F/O does kind of seen a bit excessive

I guess I feel the opposite about it. New to the A320 and NK, I get needing a few extra hours. Captain OE? You should be able to figure it out quickly.

07-29-2015 | 08:06 AM

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So we are already to the point where we are hiring people that need 35 hours to finish IOE? If so that's frightening.

Well, we got people going to UPGRADE without even knowing the basics. (Mem items, lim, etc)

07-29-2015 | 08:07 AM

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I guess I feel the opposite about it. New to the A320 and NK, I get needing a few extra hours. Captain OE? You should be able to figure it out quickly.

I guess. I think I'm just slightly intimidated because I've never been a CA before. Though I have flown with some CAs that really scare the sh*t out of me and If they can do it, so can I

I'm pretty excited about it and will come more than prepared but when the honeymoon stage wears off I'll realize I'm making less than my 3rd year F/O buddies at AA and depression will set in

07-29-2015 | 08:17 AM

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Well, we got people going to UPGRADE without even knowing the basics. (Mem items, lim, etc)

I have heard the stories and that's unacceptable but those issues should get sorted out long before oe.

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07-29-2015 | 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs

I guess. I think I'm just slightly intimidated because I've never been a CA before. Though I have flown with some CAs that really scare the sh*t out of me and If they can do it, so can I

I'm pretty excited about it and will come more than prepared but when the honeymoon stage wears off I'll realize I'm making less than my 3rd year F/O buddies at AA and depression will set in

You better come prepared, I've got my eye on your upgrade!

07-29-2015 | 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs

I guess. I think I'm just slightly intimidated because I've never been a CA before. Though I have flown with some CAs that really scare the sh*t out of me and If they can do it, so can I

I'm pretty excited about it and will come more than prepared but when the honeymoon stage wears off I'll realize I'm making less than my 3rd year F/O buddies at AA and depression will set in

You'll be fine. Go in knowing the stuff they tell you to know. Once you're out on OE, just use common sense, take it slow, and reference all that experience you've racked up in various right seats over X years.