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Old 08-26-2011 | 05:33 AM
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So are the Atlantic city folks evacuating or is spirit waiting to the last second?
Old 08-26-2011 | 05:20 PM
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Looks like we have a new website design at spirit.com.
Old 08-27-2011 | 02:46 AM
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Did everyone just forget the criminal acts of Brokebank?! He needs to go! Thief! What happened to the 'ALPA code of ethics'? and where is ALPA national on this? From what I heard he can't fly, 709 ride awaiting. That's why he's been on 'medical' leave. Blows off scheduled sims, basically avoiding the inevitable. Seems a bit odd that no one (MEC) knew about him ca$hing in....
Old 08-27-2011 | 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by LineHolder
Did everyone just forget the criminal acts of Brokebank?! He needs to go! Thief! What happened to the 'ALPA code of ethics'? and where is ALPA national on this? From what I heard he can't fly, 709 ride awaiting. That's why he's been on 'medical' leave. Blows off scheduled sims, basically avoiding the inevitable. Seems a bit odd that no one (MEC) knew about him ca$hing in....

Dont tell me that someone named Brokebank is handling ALPA money?
Old 08-27-2011 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by LineHolder
Did everyone just forget the criminal acts of Brokebank?! He needs to go! Thief! What happened to the 'ALPA code of ethics'? and where is ALPA national on this? From what I heard he can't fly, 709 ride awaiting. That's why he's been on 'medical' leave. Blows off scheduled sims, basically avoiding the inevitable. Seems a bit odd that no one (MEC) knew about him ca$hing in....
If you were at the FLL meeting, you should have asked. There were no questions what so ever about any alpa business. Just russo hollering "let's vote" . also vince has been back online for quite a while now. I've seen him in the crew room several times this year in uniform and flying the line.

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Old 08-27-2011 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Normann
I am not concerned about the participation. This was a vote, about weather we should have a vote. Was this the second or third recall attempt on Frank? I guess we could say the third including the election. Back then the 26ers had momentum. Most of us were unhappy with how things went down during and after the strike. There were things to complain about. Back then the major sections of the CBA were not tested and complied with. Lot has changed since.
I am concerned about participation. We only managed to draw around sixty or so members to the meeting. (I had to fly and left after about ten mins into the meeting, so that number is just my observation, it could be wrong by a few) This is out of a Local membership of 330 pilots. Even more bothersome is that we only managed that number because of the recall. In good times, without political issues like recalls, we only draw in the thirty's. In fact, my main point in talking to pilots about being effective, is "go to a meeting, participate in YOUR association".

As far as your assertion that this was the third recall attempt, I must protest. A regularly scheduled election is NOT a recall. Since I was the losing candidate (90 to 89) in the last normal election, I can speak to the fact that the campaign was not against Frank, at least not on my part. I campaigned on: merger Committee, increased participation, stronger committee's, etc. It certainly wasn't about OT, but maybe that's why I didn't win.

I will also disagree with your point that the 26%'rs had momentum and that "most of us were unhappy about the way things went down during and after the strike". I don't wear a 26% lanyard, I fly very little OT. I commute and don't pick up or trade, etc, etc, etc. I was not the 26% candidate. Had the 26%'rs been irate, they would have had run one of their members.

In regard to this latest recall effort, the recall movement didn't even have an organized effort to support their recall. (One guy offering to gather proxies at the Dunkin Donuts is not a fully organized effort.) The pilot that called for recall did so because his circle of friends/acquaintances is upset about the way things are going. They believed, incorrectly, that their movement was "grass roots". Considering that the vote total in opposition to recall almost doubled the meeting attendance, it was obviously not "grass roots".

The recall that took place in Frank's first year was about one of the FO's being turned in to the Feds. Frank explained why he called the FAA and the members kept him in. Over and done with. Totally unrelated to the last one.


As it turns out the contract has actually been working well for the majority. QOL guys still have their time at home, and more than before. OT guys are still making good money and most OT guys realized that making 250h credit a month was never a long term reality. The company has also chosen to comply with the CBA more often than not. At the moment there is no desire for change.

Finally, and I think this had a key role once again, most of us think it was wrong trying to remove an honest person from his position to rearrange the balance in voting to pursue a relatively narrow agenda. Even the opposition was not willing to openly question Frank's integrity.

Still some good things may come out of this effort. In the past year the leadership has accepted that a significant amount of guys are interested in working extra and it is not just a handful of pilots. Even if it is 5% or 26% their voice needs to be heard. May be we will see changes on the communication front as well. Time will tell. I am happy this one is over.
agreed in principle, but an unorganized effort to recall just gained 65 votes for recall, obviously there is a desire to change. Not a majority of politically active members, but a significant number to be sure.
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Originally Posted by Dilbert
If you were at the FLL meeting, you should have asked. There were no questions what so ever about any alpa business. Just russo hollering "let's vote" . also vince has been back online for quite a while now. I've seen him in the crew room several times this year in uniform and flying the line.
Vince returned to the line after his 709 experience late LAST year. He was out again earlier this year for medical reasons and just returned to the line. I saw him in the terminal dropping someone off, in full uniform as well, earlier this month and he told me that he was "just about back".
Old 08-27-2011 | 10:24 AM
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In regard to this latest recall effort, the recall movement didn't even have an organized effort to support their recall.
Are you trying to say with a straight face that the Spirit Board "Voice of the Cartel" was NOT an organized effort? This sham recall has been in the works over there ever since the Special Deals came to light. YOU know this because you've watched the insanity on the Spirit Board just like we have. Just because they couldn't sell their load of crap to more than 18% of the pilot group DOESN'T mean they aren't organized.

It just means they're full of sh!t.

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Originally Posted by GetReal
Are you trying to say with a straight face that the Spirit Board "Voice of the Cartel" was NOT an organized effort? This sham recall has been in the works over there ever since the Special Deals came to light. YOU know this because you've watched the insanity on the Spirit Board just like we have. Just because they couldn't sell their load of crap to more than 18% of the pilot group DOESN'T mean they aren't organized.

It just means they're full of sh!t.

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The vast majority saw it for what it was... and responded.
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