I don't know, the last SWA plane I junpseated on and AA plane where I was riding In the back, they were dirty. I guess it was coincidental. I don't do much traveling to be honest.

I want DAL Airbus rates, id take UAL rates, I certainly wouldn't leave here if we got Alaska rates.

Alaska rates with 12-16% DC plan and a much higher min day, sure I'd probably vote yes.

If your initial goal is JB rates, you are going to be hugely disapointed in what the TA will look like.

Talking to some guys, I'm almost shocked at how little they value themselves.........

Seems like it's a cultural thing,almost like the "cheap product" makes some people feel inadequate or makes them feel they don't deserve to be paid as much as the "classy Legacy". The same Legacy that goes in and out of bankruptcy every few years.

 

Agreed.. Plus 6 hour min day, 15% DC retirement fund, scope and merger protection... Red eye and intl override anytime you pass through customs.. Gets a yes vote from me.

 

Talking to one of our senior guys the other day, he was amazed that we had a 401k match at 9%. A really nice guy but he had no idea that a 9% match is drastically behind many other airlines, not to mention the lack of profit sharing and a direct contribution.

I have seen other airline's negotiating committees create and disseminate information packets to their pilots during the run up to negotiations. These packets will help, lets call it "educate," those pilots that have blinders on and have no idea what is going on in the rest of the industry. Show where we stand vs other airlines, items like retirement, scope, LTD etc will be shown to be far below where our peers our and where we need to be.

But then again, I have no idea what the NC is even doing these days. 1 survey months ago, and no communication since their crew room visits ended a while ago. I really would like to see more from the NC is the way of emails and presentation pieces as we get this process going.

 

I agree. Especially the last statement. One guy, who said he indicated a 5% initial raise, reasoned that he wants a "fair" contract. Some people are truly disconnected.

I you want more, and I agree we should have more, than call no less than our MEC Chair and tell him how you feel.

I don't see any propaganda whatsoever. Right now we should be focusing on uniting the group, make everyone well aware that in 8 months we are without a contract. Although not having a contract seems to be the norm, it is still not acceptable! And finally, if needed, fire up the "hate machine" and start setting expectations. I really do not see why any Spirit pilot should be in a great mood after August 1st.

 

Well we'll still be under our current contract which becomes "amendable".

I wish contracts had automatic pay raises after the amendable date due after 6 months of negotiating to give the company some reason to take negotiations seriously.

As for the comms with spa spirit I think they are lacking. We should definitely have info going out on what industry average is.

 

Yes. But you know what I meant.

 

Good luck to all those interviewing tomorrow!

 

When do I get my iPad? Anyone know how the testing is going?

 

We have a P2P conf call tomorrow, I'll hopefully have some info

 

This bothers me a lot. I used to work for a different lcc and right when I got hired they did the exact same thing with the gate agents, and after that everything started to go down hill. True there is a union here so we are (mostly) protected, but it was like someone walked on my grave when I heard this.