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01-10-2015 | 09:15 AM

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I completely agree and have said I don't think enough guys place scope and ltd high enough in their list. Let's not ignore pay rates though. I don't agree with your comment about the linear scale of the legacies and their 8 year upgrades. The upgrades at the majors will come way down shortly as ours increase to the point where they will match. And instead of getting a good longevity increase every year wouldn't it be better to be making money closer to the top of the scale from the beginning.

01-10-2015 | 10:30 AM

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^ I agree. I fly with a lot of guys that are still under the illusion Reserve at the legacies is 10 years and captain 20. It's already changing and will continue to change

01-10-2015 | 10:43 AM

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Absolutely. Jr dal captain I believe is 5 yrs on the 717. As retirements start ramping up it is going to get that quick on better equipment as well.

Our pay rates are not the only important aspect to our contract but they seem to be the most out of line with industry average now. Well along with retirement.

01-10-2015 | 10:47 AM

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Qotsaautopilot

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And LTD AND SCOPE!!!!

01-10-2015 | 11:10 AM

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^ I agree. I fly with a lot of guys that are still under the illusion Reserve at the legacies is 10 years and captain 20. It's already changing and will continue to change

I think it is changing. Without some significant improvements to our contract, I fear we're going to have a tough time attracting quality candidates.

01-10-2015 | 11:16 AM

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Attracting and KEEPING.

01-10-2015 | 11:37 AM

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Attracting and KEEPING.

Attracting and keeping. United has just started hiring, American is starting interviews again after the winter break and Delta is hiring big as well.
We're growing, but growth can't happen without hiring pilots.

01-10-2015 | 12:15 PM

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I think it is changing. Without some significant improvements to our contract, I fear we're going to have a tough time attracting quality candidates.

I think someone called it a "fools errand". But I think facilitating this scenario anyway we can (word of mouth etc) can't hurt in finding any pressure available to help move mgmt

01-10-2015 | 01:42 PM

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I think someone called it a "fools errand". But I think facilitating this scenario anyway we can (word of mouth etc) can't hurt in finding any pressure available to help move mgmt

I believe you're referencing my comment. And I'll say it again, it's a waste of time to try to discourage people from coming here. 2nd year FO at Spirit is in a more lucrative position than half of all available 121 pilot jobs in the US airline business. Until that bottom 50% of pilots in the US airline industry no longer exists, it's a futile effort. And as an aside, not everyone makes employment decisions based on ever changing pay rates. Sometimes it's based on who calls first.

Believe me, I'm all about getting the best contract. I just don't think that idea is a useful one. Look at how many pilots kept going to US Airways when they operated under their sorry joke known as LOA93. Now they think they're the 'belle of the ball'. The point is: things change.