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01-21-2015 | 06:49 AM
#9761
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From: A320
That's what we have now!, isn't it, every grnd school day is a full day with "mmmmk" paid at 4 hrs/day.....but with this LOA/EFB/distance learning toord sandwich we don get the "drops/credits"we used to, days off can't get below guarantee, so our proposal has to comeback with a min pay of 6 hrs a day, and those days have to be scheduled as work days, not on your 22hr layover in Livonia after a red eye.
Remember.....this isn't a choice between getting paid 4.5 hours for 9 hours in FLL verses getting paid 5 hours for 9 hours of "distance work." Distance learning is going to happen. The iPads Appearantly have been bought already. Now it's just a matter of negotiating how much we're going to get paid for it. Personally, I think we're not over-reaching by asking to get 9 hours of pay for 9 hours of work.
01-21-2015 | 06:59 AM
#9762
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From: 320 Left soon middle
Good post EricJ320...
We don't have to let them bully us into this LOA. This may not be the middle either. Who knows? We might get a better deal. But we might not. I personally was operating under the assumption that we have leverage. I was wrong. We have no leverage here. How are you going get a better deal when you have no leverage?
Great, so we are going to let the company bully us into voting yes on this? Why does it have to be either we vote yes or the company will do their best to make our lives miserbale?
Why can't we meet in the middle? I think this LOA is close, but it's not meeting in the middle. It's less days off with less money
Why can't we meet in the middle? I think this LOA is close, but it's not meeting in the middle. It's less days off with less money
01-21-2015 | 07:01 AM
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Good post EricJ320...
We don't have to let them bully us into this LOA. This may not be the middle either. Who knows? We might get a better deal. But we might not. I personally was operating on the assumption that we have leverage. I was wrong. We have no leverage here. How are you going get a better deal when you have no leverage?
We don't have to let them bully us into this LOA. This may not be the middle either. Who knows? We might get a better deal. But we might not. I personally was operating on the assumption that we have leverage. I was wrong. We have no leverage here. How are you going get a better deal when you have no leverage?
+1 on EricJ320, good points.
I have ground school in March, what are the chances I'll be heading down to FLL For GS vs distance learning?
01-21-2015 | 07:34 AM
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From: A-320
This might be a battle that isn't worth fighting if we have no leverage anyway. Perhaps our collective resolve should be better put to use come contract time when we actually do have leverage. Just a thought, but wars are not won or lost on battles alone and why waste resources and time on something so small in the grande scheme of things. In fact, a little give now could strengthen our position when we ask for an industry leading contract in a few months. In other words, what will a no vote accomplish in this case, besides further loss of pay. Believe me, if I thought a no vote would help us, Id be all about it but is seems like it could actually hurt us. Sounds like a turd sandwich or a double decker turd sandwich either way. Am I off base here?
01-21-2015 | 07:54 AM
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This might be a battle that isn't worth fighting if we have no leverage anyway. Perhaps our collective resolve should be better put to use come contract time when we actually do have leverage. Just a thought, but wars are not won or lost on battles alone and why waste resources and time on something so small in the grande scheme of things. In fact, a little give now could strengthen our position when we ask for an industry leading contract in a few months. In other words, what will a no vote accomplish in this case, besides further loss of pay. Believe me, if I thought a no vote would help us, Id be all about it but is seems like it could actually hurt us. Sounds like a turd sandwich or a double decker turd sandwich either way. Am I off base here?
01-21-2015 | 07:58 AM
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I agree completely. But if We vote no, will we get hosed even further? That's what I want to be clear on.
01-21-2015 | 08:15 AM
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I've never seen a group fold over so fast after a little scare tactic. I'm worried when we get a TA now
01-21-2015 | 08:23 AM
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I don't think it's folding. I just want more information from the guys with experience in this department. I view every proposal neutrally until I have all the information. If I can read something convincing that a no vote will help us either imperically or strategically then it's a NO all day long. I think playing devils advocate helps us all make better informed decisions. A no vote for the sake of saying no May not be the best strategy. id love for someone to describe our leverage and strategy for improving this with a no vote.
01-21-2015 | 08:42 AM
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I don't think it's folding. I just want more information from the guys with experience in this department. I view every proposal neutrally until I have all the information. If I can read something convincing that a no vote will help us either imperically or strategically then it's a NO all day long. I think playing devils advocate helps us all make better informed decisions. A no vote for the sake of saying no May not be the best strategy. id love for someone to describe our leverage and strategy for improving this with a no vote.
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