Like I said, Keep it Simple.

The massive pay cut you take at Spirit has long lasting repercussions. Don't under estimate or downplay the effect of a year at $30,000 or less. Debt accumulated isn't so easily conquered at inferior pay rates.

Yes, I made that mistake and I'll share it so that others don't.

 

I'm just giving the man the facts not speaking in what ifs or maybes. Guarantee is all you can count on and I gave him those numbers. Many people came to spirit with the idea that high credits and released with pay was the norm. It's the exception not the norm and they got burned when the convinced their families it was the right move.

While yes there are occasionally 82hr lines that is a number management controls and is not guaranteed. Trading an 18hr 4 day for a 22hr 4 day is also a rarity if you are junior and again, with our current horrible 4.2/1 trip rig you're pretty much going to be dealing with a lot of 18hr 4 day trips. Yes there are also a few high credit trips but for every one of those there is a 14.5hr 4 day trip that has 3 duty period and a 21hr overnight to avoid the 22hr overnight triggering an extra duty period of pay. The company doesn't want to pay soft time and to avoid that along with our current route structure you get unproductive trips.

Just the facts

 

Yep. The only scenario I can think of regarding accepting a job at Spirit that makes sense is coming here if you are currently unemployed. If you don't have to be here you would be better off riding it out at your regional. The pilot group at Spirit is viewed by the HR departments at the majors as belligerent scum. Do you really want that on your resume??

 

That's NOT what he said!!
He said he was choosing a regional over spirit! That's just insane!
I get if you're a captain at a regional with some sort of "if all the boxes checked" type of "flow", guaranteed blah blah blah, but to GO TO A REGIONAL FO AT THE BOTTOM......
Or come to spirit...


Wow...

 

So you made 113k last year? I call BS....

 

What happens if that regional you go stop paying the retention bonus once mainline shift the flying to another company?

 

Guarantee is all that's guaranteed.

You might make more as lineholder trading into better trips that might exist. You might make more if you live in base and choose to work on your days off and can be available on short notice. None of that is guaranteed money.

I never told the guy not to come here and in fact I have tried to correct some posters in the past for being overly negative in their responses to new
hire inquiries. But I'm not going to be overly positive and give a guy hope that he's going to make money that is not guaranteed.

This forum is supposed to be a place to chat, shoot the poo, have fun with each other, and maybe get a little information on occasion.

 

Im a CAPTAIN and I made less than that......................

 

Apples and oranges. He probably worked.

 

I made less than $75k second year (pretax), and I lived in base.