Spirit of NKS, Part II
12-08-2015 | 07:51 PM
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Can somebody post the company proposal chart with JetBlue 190 as well as the other Alpa carriers 319/320/321 added on. It would be comical to see it side by side. Also educational for those that don't know what the others are making. It's a shame we actually have guys with their heads that deep in the sand but hey it's FLL
12-08-2015 | 08:01 PM
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Well then let's see the NC's proposal. Why not show it to the pilots so we can judge it's adequacy for ourselves? Let us see how it actually compares to the company's (which I think we all agree is a non-starter). But I have to question whether our union's own proposal was materially better than the company's since we all got the NC's update just a few months ago gushing about how close we were to a TA and about how plans were being made for pilot phone conferences and pre-roadshows. Did the company backpedal? If so, then show us; show us an offer the company made in the past that inspired such bubbly negotiating updates.
We can't all come on here and bash the company's offer unless we know what our union is demanding. We need to know just where our NC stands and what it means by the rather ambiguous phrase, "pathway to parity." Until our union provides this information, we have no way of knowing whether we're on the right track.
We can't all come on here and bash the company's offer unless we know what our union is demanding. We need to know just where our NC stands and what it means by the rather ambiguous phrase, "pathway to parity." Until our union provides this information, we have no way of knowing whether we're on the right track.
They are planning on doubling the fleet while almost tripling ASM in the next 5 years with larger seating capacity. That is a lot of people to be responsible for at a deep deep discount.
Our NC should be able to show exactly how much transition costs the company each month. An actual dollar amount. Subtract that figure from industry leading (or average depending on how you view it) A320 pay, retirement, etc and slide it across the table.
12-08-2015 | 08:10 PM
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Can somebody post the company proposal chart with JetBlue 190 as well as the other Alpa carriers 319/320/321 added on. It would be comical to see it side by side. Also educational for those that don't know what the others are making. It's a shame we actually have guys with their heads that deep in the sand but hey it's FLL
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/pay-comparisons/narrowbody-aircraft/airbus-a320.html
12-08-2015 | 08:27 PM
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^^^^And that's today! With everyone on that list negotiating as well except AA.
Tell you what management. I'll take your DOS+4 rates and retirement starting Jan 1st 2016 with no transition changes as quid for bailing you out of your massive incompetence now SIX months ago and we can go ahead and start negotiating a real contract now while work under those rates.
Tell you what management. I'll take your DOS+4 rates and retirement starting Jan 1st 2016 with no transition changes as quid for bailing you out of your massive incompetence now SIX months ago and we can go ahead and start negotiating a real contract now while work under those rates.
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12-08-2015 | 09:08 PM
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^^^^*all of the above.. It's time to stop! Stop volunteering to help at job fairs, stop helping scheduling, stop going above and beyond... Fly your line, fly the CBA, fly safe. No more helping during irops, the *****s need to stop too....suck it up for a few months or sell a boat or two. Stickers, picketing, social media... Get the word out! The war is on!
Management places no value on us!
Management places no value on us!
12-08-2015 | 09:10 PM
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Ok so serious question. Where do we go from here? What are the next steps in this process given current events. Mediation, arbitration? Or does the NC just meet with the company again indefinitely... It's pretty clear nothing is coming out of that except a waste of everyone's time.
Just to be clear - Section 6 started on 8-1-14 or am I wrong?
Just to be clear - Section 6 started on 8-1-14 or am I wrong?
12-08-2015 | 09:44 PM
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Management is a cancer. Do your job and only your job.
12-08-2015 | 10:07 PM
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THIS is the time that JA and his beloved communications office needs to be in full effect, to make sure that every single pilot at NK knows where Ben and Bendo stand and how much they think we are worth. THIS is when JA makes a big deal out of this last slap. I want stickers, lanyards, magazines, emails, call , videos, Twitts, Facebook, tv, whatever it takes,....
even calling pilots to let them know about this turd (just like the meltdown whe he was helping the sinking dinghy ) ....
so there is no misinterpretation of their offer to us.
even calling pilots to let them know about this turd (just like the meltdown whe he was helping the sinking dinghy ) ....
so there is no misinterpretation of their offer to us.
12-08-2015 | 10:39 PM
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Can somebody post the company proposal chart with JetBlue 190 as well as the other Alpa carriers 319/320/321 added on. It would be comical to see it side by side. Also educational for those that don't know what the others are making. It's a shame we actually have guys with their heads that deep in the sand but hey it's FLL
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