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Spirit of NKS, Part II

Old 09-12-2016 | 07:29 AM
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SWA & Delta published their ask.

I still haven't gotten an answer to this question: Why are we different?
Old 09-12-2016 | 07:42 AM
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Sheesh.. Comprehension people. Tune in tomorrow to that call they're putting on and hear "the ask" yourself. Or wait and read the transcript.
Old 09-12-2016 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
I agree. If you talk to the NC in person or on the phone they will answer your questions about the ask.

Generally at least. I got specific numbers on some things and more general in others
Well, then, enlighten us, please....

It's not confidential, I assume, since they told you.
Old 09-12-2016 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Judge Smails
I don't think we'll see the ask, and I honestly think we'll be better off if we don't see it. The reason being that once we see it, the vocal minority on these forums will inevitably proceed to negotiate in public. Everybody knows management reads these forums, why should we discuss what we will and won't accept and undermine the work the NC has done. They are well aware of what this group expects, let them do their job without our interference.



If a TA comes out and it's pure garbage, then we can discuss alternatives.


"If you vote this down it will be years. We will quit setting you back even further"


Is this fear unfounded?



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Old 09-12-2016 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
I agree. If you talk to the NC in person or on the phone they will answer your questions about the ask.

Generally at least. I got specific numbers on some things and more general in others
Curious as well.
Old 09-12-2016 | 12:13 PM
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Man we need real LTD. Every time one of these "help a fellow pilot" emails come out it becomes more and more painfully obvious. Get well soon, AP.

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Old 09-12-2016 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TerrainOnND
SWA & Delta published their ask.

I still haven't gotten an answer to this question: Why are we different?
Yes. It is time for the ask. Unless the NC is hiding a nasty slope or whatever. Ok we know it is industry standard. Show us the slope.
Also: Hillary may have Parkinson's Disease or something serious.
Old 09-12-2016 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by FreeSmiles
Man we need real LTD. Every time one of these "help a fellow pilot" emails come out it becomes more and more painfully obvious. Get well soon, AP.

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And short term to get you to long term, similar to other airlines.

Unless you think accumlating hundreds of hours/years of sick time was a stroke of genius to get you to long term? Still having conversations with pre-2010s who think our system is "fine"???
Old 09-12-2016 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GoMountaineers
Well, then, enlighten us, please....

It's not confidential, I assume, since they told you.
I got specifics on a couple items and vague details on others. Nothing on proposed work rules or sick time etc.

I'm sure some details will be shared tomorrow. I'll let the NC do the speaking so you get it first hand. I was not given anything earth shattering trust me.

My general opinion, which is just that, an opinion, is that they have some solid demands in some big sections but then also want rationalize imo less solid demands in other big sections as if we are some kind of start up airline that hasn't quite come of age. I don't agree, 1) that's how compensation for a skilled worker is interpreted, and 2) we are that airline anyway. I just saw a guy that's been here 26 years. I know I'd beyond ****ed if my my compensation kept being negotiated like as if I wasn't a 26yr veteran at the same airline that's also wildly profitable.
Old 09-12-2016 | 02:55 PM
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Can anyone explain to me why the CP mentioned in the grievance email is on our seniority list? This guy is clearly no friend of ours. If he can't play nice like most of the CPs he needs lose his seniority number and go to the dark side permanently. I figure this probably isn't possible but it's frustrating that there are people like this in the world. We don't always have to agree but everyone in a professional setting needs to be treated with respect even if mistakes have been made and consequences must be handed down. Intimidation has no place.
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