New Hire Classes and Drops
11-23-2022 | 09:10 AM
#2311
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The 4000 hours of 767 in my logbook would say otherwise. I never flew the 757 over the Atlantic, didn’t have to as we flew the 767’s there. But I flew it domestically and to Hawaii. And yes .80-.82 was the norm, just as .78-.79 is the norm for the 320’s (it can do .81-just that it is a game of chicken with the barber pole)
I agree the 757 and the 320 don't have the same performance. Just depends on what you want to measure. The 757 does some things better then a 321 (runway and climb performance, speed), and the 321XLR will do some things better then a 757 (like range and fuel burn/ maintenance costs).
The 321 should carry a similar number of passengers, with a much better First Class, therefore crew rest, experience. United has said the XLR will have aisle access for every lie flat seat. Again, if flying slower, then augmentation is more likely. And we get paid by the minute right?
SAS is flying the 321LR currently between CPH and IAD. Great circle distance of 3540NM. Blocked at 9:30 hours. The XLR will have more range so here comes 10-11 hour flights. And before you go “oh hell no, not that far in a narrowbody!!!”, what do you think was flying before widebodies existed? 707’s and DC8’s (UAL flew them BWI-HNL) and Dc7’s and Connies (holds the record for longest duration nonstop passenger flight-piston powered. A TWA Connie flight in 1957 from London to San Francisco was aloft for 23 hours 19 minutes! 5350 miles)
https://onemileatatime.com/news/sas-airbus-a321lr/
Anyways, the 757 is/was a great aircraft. Just that its time has come to join the history books like other aircraft before it.
I agree the 757 and the 320 don't have the same performance. Just depends on what you want to measure. The 757 does some things better then a 321 (runway and climb performance, speed), and the 321XLR will do some things better then a 757 (like range and fuel burn/ maintenance costs).
The 321 should carry a similar number of passengers, with a much better First Class, therefore crew rest, experience. United has said the XLR will have aisle access for every lie flat seat. Again, if flying slower, then augmentation is more likely. And we get paid by the minute right?
SAS is flying the 321LR currently between CPH and IAD. Great circle distance of 3540NM. Blocked at 9:30 hours. The XLR will have more range so here comes 10-11 hour flights. And before you go “oh hell no, not that far in a narrowbody!!!”, what do you think was flying before widebodies existed? 707’s and DC8’s (UAL flew them BWI-HNL) and Dc7’s and Connies (holds the record for longest duration nonstop passenger flight-piston powered. A TWA Connie flight in 1957 from London to San Francisco was aloft for 23 hours 19 minutes! 5350 miles)
https://onemileatatime.com/news/sas-airbus-a321lr/
Anyways, the 757 is/was a great aircraft. Just that its time has come to join the history books like other aircraft before it.
All I said from the beginning was performance wise not in the same class. Economically I get it. From your post seems like you flew the Pratt version of 757, POS compared to the RR.
11-23-2022 | 09:29 AM
#2313
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[QUOTE=horrido27;3532699]Just to throw it out there- but..
those 75 replacement 321’s aren’t coming next year. Last word I’ve heard is they are pushed back towards late ‘24.
Hopefully at the next investor conference someone from our leadership gets that question “when are the A321’s coming and are they a direct B757 replacement”?
I still believe that by 2024 we will see an Airbus base at BOS..
Many think that when the company announces the new base(s), they have to happen simultaneously, immediately.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they announced a few with another in the waiting room.. and one opening in the new year, the next one a few months later.
Guess we’ll know soon.
Till then, all we can do is deal with our current bases, contract and fleet!
Always
Motch
ps) just to add..
https://onemileatatime.com/news/united-a321xlr-polaris-premium-plus/[/QUOTE]
Had SKirby on my flight DFW-ORD two days ago. He came up to the cockpit to chat which was fine. Kept the conversation cordial while wearing my contract first, United next bling. He said 321 NEO summer of 23. WB order pending.
That and 5 bucks gets you a Starbucks in the terminal….
To the question on Bus vice Guppy. Bus all the way. Waited too long to switch back. Granted, seniority plays a role but I usually do 2 legs a day and stay domestic. And the office……priceless.
those 75 replacement 321’s aren’t coming next year. Last word I’ve heard is they are pushed back towards late ‘24.
Hopefully at the next investor conference someone from our leadership gets that question “when are the A321’s coming and are they a direct B757 replacement”?
I still believe that by 2024 we will see an Airbus base at BOS..
Many think that when the company announces the new base(s), they have to happen simultaneously, immediately.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they announced a few with another in the waiting room.. and one opening in the new year, the next one a few months later.
Guess we’ll know soon.
Till then, all we can do is deal with our current bases, contract and fleet!
Always
Motch
ps) just to add..
https://onemileatatime.com/news/united-a321xlr-polaris-premium-plus/[/QUOTE]
Had SKirby on my flight DFW-ORD two days ago. He came up to the cockpit to chat which was fine. Kept the conversation cordial while wearing my contract first, United next bling. He said 321 NEO summer of 23. WB order pending.
That and 5 bucks gets you a Starbucks in the terminal….
To the question on Bus vice Guppy. Bus all the way. Waited too long to switch back. Granted, seniority plays a role but I usually do 2 legs a day and stay domestic. And the office……priceless.
11-23-2022 | 02:10 PM
#2314
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Had SKirby on my flight DFW-ORD two days ago. He came up to the cockpit to chat which was fine. Kept the conversation cordial while wearing my contract first, United next bling. He said 321 NEO summer of 23. WB order pending.
That and 5 bucks gets you a Starbucks in the terminal….
To the question on Bus vice Guppy. Bus all the way. Waited too long to switch back. Granted, seniority plays a role but I usually do 2 legs a day and stay domestic. And the office……priceless.[/QUOTE]
Been addressed many times. 321 neo showing up late July early August. A month or 2 proving runs. Lucky to see it online before 2024.
That and 5 bucks gets you a Starbucks in the terminal….
To the question on Bus vice Guppy. Bus all the way. Waited too long to switch back. Granted, seniority plays a role but I usually do 2 legs a day and stay domestic. And the office……priceless.[/QUOTE]
Been addressed many times. 321 neo showing up late July early August. A month or 2 proving runs. Lucky to see it online before 2024.
11-23-2022 | 02:45 PM
#2315
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Just to throw it out there- but..
those 75 replacement 321’s aren’t coming next year. Last word I’ve heard is they are pushed back towards late ‘24.
Hopefully at the next investor conference someone from our leadership gets that question “when are the A321’s coming and are they a direct B757 replacement”?
I still believe that by 2024 we will see an Airbus base at BOS..
Many think that when the company announces the new base(s), they have to happen simultaneously, immediately.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they announced a few with another in the waiting room.. and one opening in the new year, the next one a few months later.
Guess we’ll know soon.
Till then, all we can do is deal with our current bases, contract and fleet!
Always
Motch
ps) just to add..
https://onemileatatime.com/news/united-a321xlr-polaris-premium-plus/
those 75 replacement 321’s aren’t coming next year. Last word I’ve heard is they are pushed back towards late ‘24.
Hopefully at the next investor conference someone from our leadership gets that question “when are the A321’s coming and are they a direct B757 replacement”?
I still believe that by 2024 we will see an Airbus base at BOS..
Many think that when the company announces the new base(s), they have to happen simultaneously, immediately.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they announced a few with another in the waiting room.. and one opening in the new year, the next one a few months later.
Guess we’ll know soon.
Till then, all we can do is deal with our current bases, contract and fleet!
Always
Motch
ps) just to add..
https://onemileatatime.com/news/united-a321xlr-polaris-premium-plus/
11-23-2022 | 04:01 PM
#2316
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LOL
Just a pilot who reads alot of different Aviation Publications, and likes to put the tea leaves together.
Someone who gets it wrong sometimes but more that usual, leans towards being on the righter side.. except today when I expected the boys to beat Japan. ;(
I (along with many others) want to see the 321's show up. But when you read things coming from Airbus, engine suppliers, our own management team.. hard to buy that we will be flying A321Neo's in the summer of '23.
And as it's been mentioned before-
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael...ion%20aircraft.
and
https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/p...21neo-aircraft
We SHOULD see them on line here at some point.. But there use to be an old "union" line that basically stated,
"Until the plane is sitting at the gate in our colors, I'll believe it when I see it"
Till then, Fly Safe-Fly Professionally and Fly the Contract
Always
Motch
11-23-2022 | 07:01 PM
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That's like saying they used to fly props across the Atlantic, let's go back to that. 10 hours on a narrow body is horrible.
All I said from the beginning was performance wise not in the same class. Economically I get it. From your post seems like you flew the Pratt version of 757, POS compared to the RR.
All I said from the beginning was performance wise not in the same class. Economically I get it. From your post seems like you flew the Pratt version of 757, POS compared to the RR.
The PW757 a POS? It did just fine for the missions at UAL it was planned for. Domestic, Transcons and Hawaii. And TWA and Delta (including former TWA 757’s they aquired) flew PW 757’s across the Atlantic so it was hardly exclusive to RR 757’s.
Again, what do you consider to be performance? Speed? Runway and Climb capability? Range? Fuel Burn? Something else? Because the 757 has better performance in some aspects, and worse in others compared to the XLR.
last i’ll comment because its a drift from the main topic.
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