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07-07-2023 | 02:01 PM
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For someone at 44 with no wb aspirations how quickly do you think one could hold captain ?
As well does anyone know if this hiring us for attrition or just growth. I thought I knew the answer before but now not so sure
07-07-2023 | 02:16 PM
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You can hold NB captain in a year…. but that’s reserve. It’ll be maybe 7 years to a line, 15 for something less than max credit (around min days off). Those are just estimates, though. The year is pretty concrete at the moment and is a contractual limit.
07-07-2023 | 02:42 PM
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Final question thanks
07-07-2023 | 03:47 PM
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NB FO lineholder right now is about 7 months. WB FO (787) lineholder was hired about 4.5 years ago, but that also means about 6000 seniority numbers ago, so who knows how long that means going forward.
07-07-2023 | 06:47 PM
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A few friends here at UA were just talking about this. I just looked up a pilot who is 44 hired 3 months ago. He never gets below 5100 on the list and that's with 21 years at UA assuming age 65 holds. Missing the boat is all relative. I can tell you that a majority of pilots United has hired are 35 and below the last 2.5 years. The numbers will only get worse 2024 and beyond. You could be 44+ in 2024 and never go lower then 7000-7500 which is crazy. There was a female I ran into in EWR 2018 she had just turned 23. She spends 21 years under 900 on the list. I was talking to a 25 year old last week in Denver just hired. He only spends 4.5 years below 900. Timing is everything as we all know.
07-07-2023 | 11:34 PM
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A few friends here at UA were just talking about this. I just looked up a pilot who is 44 hired 3 months ago. He never gets below 5100 on the list and that's with 21 years at UA assuming age 65 holds. Missing the boat is all relative. I can tell you that a majority of pilots United has hired are 35 and below the last 2.5 years. The numbers will only get worse 2024 and beyond. You could be 44+ in 2024 and never go lower 7000-7500 which is crazy. There was a female I ran into in EWR 2018 she had just turned 23. She spends 21 years under 900 on the list. I was talking to a 25 year old last week in Denver just hired. He only spends 4.5 years below 900. Timing is everything as we all know.
I’d much rather retire at 10% or 20% at UAL than 1% at a second rate shop. If you’re over 40-45 then it requires a little more consideration. But a good contract should protect all seniority levels
07-08-2023 | 03:10 AM
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don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. There’s more to career success and fulfillment than beating your colleagues in the seniority game. Pay scales only go to 12yrs.
I’d much rather retire at 10% or 20% at UAL than 1% at a second rate shop. If you’re over 40-45 then it requires a little more consideration. But a good contract should protect all seniority levels
I’d much rather retire at 10% or 20% at UAL than 1% at a second rate shop. If you’re over 40-45 then it requires a little more consideration. But a good contract should protect all seniority levels
Yeah actually I don't really understand why retiring at s certain point us so important. If someone can just have decent qol someplace what's the difference. ? This is why I was curious about time to being a lineholder and then consequently say a lineholding captain nb or wb fo.
07-08-2023 | 04:49 AM
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This. Plenty of guys will leave this industry & airline without ever being a seniority god. That’s why it’s all the more important in the brief age of the 1 year captain that we don’t lose sight of the value that every seat down to NBFO should not just be a good job but a great career position.
07-08-2023 | 05:12 AM
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Seniority is a proxy for the power to make income and qol choices. It’s not just a genital size contest.
Someone who spends 21 years under 900 will have a much different career than someone who retires at 5000. Doesn’t mean 5000 is bad. But they aren’t the same
As for hiring for growth vs attrition… signs point strongly to growth, mostly for mainline absorption of regional flying. New hires for 2023 already cover MANY years of retirement. I think there’s also an element of pilot hoarding. If TWA only hires for 2023 retirements in 2023, Braniff can take every captain they can find then watch TWA scramble in 2025 when no one is left.
Someone who spends 21 years under 900 will have a much different career than someone who retires at 5000. Doesn’t mean 5000 is bad. But they aren’t the same
As for hiring for growth vs attrition… signs point strongly to growth, mostly for mainline absorption of regional flying. New hires for 2023 already cover MANY years of retirement. I think there’s also an element of pilot hoarding. If TWA only hires for 2023 retirements in 2023, Braniff can take every captain they can find then watch TWA scramble in 2025 when no one is left.
07-08-2023 | 05:18 AM
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Seniority is a proxy for the power to make income and qol choices. It’s not just a genital size contest.
Someone who spends 21 years under 900 will have a much different career than someone who retires at 5000. Doesn’t mean 5000 is bad. But they aren’t the same
As for hiring for growth vs attrition… signs point strongly to growth, mostly for mainline absorption of regional flying. New hires for 2023 already cover MANY years of retirement. I think there’s also an element of pilot hoarding. If TWA only hires for 2023 retirements in 2023, Braniff can take every captain they can find then watch TWA scramble in 2025 when no one is left.
Someone who spends 21 years under 900 will have a much different career than someone who retires at 5000. Doesn’t mean 5000 is bad. But they aren’t the same
As for hiring for growth vs attrition… signs point strongly to growth, mostly for mainline absorption of regional flying. New hires for 2023 already cover MANY years of retirement. I think there’s also an element of pilot hoarding. If TWA only hires for 2023 retirements in 2023, Braniff can take every captain they can find then watch TWA scramble in 2025 when no one is left.
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