New Hire Classes and Drops
07-08-2023 | 05:27 AM
#3111
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A few friends here at UA were just talking about this. I just looked up a pilot who is 44 hired 3 months ago. He never gets below 5100 on the list and that's with 21 years at UA assuming age 65 holds. Missing the boat is all relative. I can tell you that a majority of pilots United has hired are 35 and below the last 2.5 years. The numbers will only get worse 2024 and beyond. You could be 44+ in 2024 and never go lower then 7000-7500 which is crazy. There was a female I ran into in EWR 2018 she had just turned 23. She spends 21 years under 900 on the list. I was talking to a 25 year old last week in Denver just hired. He only spends 4.5 years below 900. Timing is everything as we all know.
07-08-2023 | 06:50 AM
#3112
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Unless my math is wrong, she was lying to you.
07-08-2023 | 11:31 AM
#3113
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A small shift in number would not dramatically change the overall story. Airlines occasionally binge on certain years of hiring but not so much years of birth. Example: Almost no one was hired in 2020 but thousands hired in 2022 - so the difference between a 2020 hire and a 2018 hire isn't huge, but 2022 to 2024 is. There isn't really anything similar with "Oh we don't have anybody who was born in 1965 so no one is retiring in 2030." Point being ... a young person hired in front of a hiring wave will be very senior for a long time no matter how you measure it.
07-08-2023 | 12:08 PM
#3114
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900 is arbitrary and not special significance to my knowledge.
A small shift in number would not dramatically change the overall story. Airlines occasionally binge on certain years of hiring but not so much years of birth. Example: Almost no one was hired in 2020 but thousands hired in 2022 - so the difference between a 2020 hire and a 2018 hire isn't huge, but 2022 to 2024 is. There isn't really anything similar with "Oh we don't have anybody who was born in 1965 so no one is retiring in 2030." Point being ... a young person hired in front of a hiring wave will be very senior for a long time no matter how you measure it.
A small shift in number would not dramatically change the overall story. Airlines occasionally binge on certain years of hiring but not so much years of birth. Example: Almost no one was hired in 2020 but thousands hired in 2022 - so the difference between a 2020 hire and a 2018 hire isn't huge, but 2022 to 2024 is. There isn't really anything similar with "Oh we don't have anybody who was born in 1965 so no one is retiring in 2030." Point being ... a young person hired in front of a hiring wave will be very senior for a long time no matter how you measure it.
However I pity the individual who fixates on it and uses it as a justification to throw in the towel on what they want.
07-08-2023 | 04:23 PM
#3116
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You mean maybe, it could be 2032. Will know in a few months.
07-08-2023 | 06:04 PM
#3117
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From: Gear slinger
United, like Delta and American, has probably hired all of its Widebody Captains for the next 25 years.
Without WB CA that in the picture it really should be a consideration for Widebody FO and Narrowbody Captain opportunities and QOL for which United lags both DAL and AA when junior in those positions. Anyone approaching 40 and applying to UAL should take this into account and probably rank UAL 3rd behind DAL and AA unless they live in a United base where the other two don’t have a presence.
Without WB CA that in the picture it really should be a consideration for Widebody FO and Narrowbody Captain opportunities and QOL for which United lags both DAL and AA when junior in those positions. Anyone approaching 40 and applying to UAL should take this into account and probably rank UAL 3rd behind DAL and AA unless they live in a United base where the other two don’t have a presence.
07-08-2023 | 07:34 PM
#3118
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This. Plenty of guys will leave this industry & airline without ever being a seniority god. That’s why it’s all the more important in the brief age of the 1 year captain that we don’t lose sight of the value that every seat down to NBFO should not just be a good job but a great career position.
07-08-2023 | 09:42 PM
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From the schedules I've seen NB pilots flying, life looks pretty rough and unpleasant at UA right now if you aren't WB. My line holding buddies who have shown me their 737/Bus schedules - more so the bus - seem to look worse than some of the regional flying I used to do. Granted some of it is probably covering the regional stuff the partners can't handle, but sure doesn't look like much to write home about at this point in time. Hope you guys can make NB flying a desirable and more so a great career position to be in.
07-08-2023 | 11:28 PM
#3120
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Widebody pilots fly one leg, rest a day then fly another leg home.
Narrowbody pilots fly multiple legs, rest 12 hours, fly multiple legs, rest 12 hours, fly multiple legs home
Every time you fly a leg (double transiting a base) there’s an opportunity for trouble.
A new hire will be on reserve. It’s unpredictable (search global reserve) but most find it ok living in base. Time to line varies by base and will shift depending on how the new contract incentivizes nb ca
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