Agreement in Principle
09-10-2020 | 04:09 AM
#191
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Absolutely voting no. This entire scheme of a carve out stinks. No one should be getting paid for seats they can no longer hold. If you’re bumped to a lesser paying seat, so be it, me included. This reminds of participation trophies my kid got in little league when his team sucked.
09-10-2020 | 04:16 AM
#192
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Absolutely voting no. This entire scheme of a carve out stinks. No one should be getting paid for seats they can no longer hold. If you’re bumped to a lesser paying seat, so be it, me included. This reminds of participation trophies my kid got in little league when his team sucked.
09-10-2020 | 04:41 AM
#194
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Finding a job with about 10,000 pilots on the street and a furlough stink on you isn't easy, keeping you on the list for a potential merger, serious worry if United can ever recover from a 3000 pilot furlough, and keeping LTD insurance... there are positives. This hasn't even been put into its final language and people know all they need to know. The conspiracy theorist guys who aren't happy with anything are unsurprisingly making this a conspiracy theory and are unhappy. Got it. The people that don't like the MEC still don't like the MEC. Not unexpected. How about we read it before we start rioting over carve outs or snap backs that may or may not exist.
09-10-2020 | 04:45 AM
#195
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There will always be something that we want or fear that can be used to squeeze us. This time it's furloughs.
09-10-2020 | 04:55 AM
#196
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Imagine having worked here for 25 years and having 3 or 4 kids in college. Imagine guys junior to you getting bumped to the right seat and keeping their Captains pay. Imagine them being able to cherry pick all the open time while you have to figure out how to live on a big paycut. This mess is the wrong pilot solution to a problem not of our making and not our responsibility. They will be dancing on the tables in Willis if we agree to this.
YES getting furloughed sucks! Been there, done that.
The contract is sacrosanct, or at least should be. When I was a jr maggot I took the job KNOWING I WAS CHAFF. Stuff happens in this industry. Once per decade. And suddenly you're an old guy and find out that you have toiled for 20-30 years under one concessionary contract or crisis after another. Best of luck young timers, your career earnings will be decimated by this.
YES getting furloughed sucks! Been there, done that.
The contract is sacrosanct, or at least should be. When I was a jr maggot I took the job KNOWING I WAS CHAFF. Stuff happens in this industry. Once per decade. And suddenly you're an old guy and find out that you have toiled for 20-30 years under one concessionary contract or crisis after another. Best of luck young timers, your career earnings will be decimated by this.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
09-10-2020 | 04:59 AM
#197
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Absolutely voting no. This entire scheme of a carve out stinks. No one should be getting paid for seats they can no longer hold. If you’re bumped to a lesser paying seat, so be it, me included. This reminds of participation trophies my kid got in little league when his team sucked.
It’s now a rush job to get this done prior to October 1 before the first furloughs hit the street.
09-10-2020 | 05:03 AM
#198
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Isn't amazing to look back and see the pieces of the puzzle now coming together.
SK and Team knew how to play this. Guess he gets the Black/White Chips.
We get energy bars.. though some will only get 50% of them! (too Soon?)
At this point, not matter how we vote, he wins.
If it gets voted down.. he gets to claim it was our fault, and we are divided.
If it gets voted in.. he gets to claim he helped save jobs! (and lower pilot labor costs for years!)
Oh, and we are divided.
Always
Motch
SK and Team knew how to play this. Guess he gets the Black/White Chips.
We get energy bars.. though some will only get 50% of them! (too Soon?)
At this point, not matter how we vote, he wins.
If it gets voted down.. he gets to claim it was our fault, and we are divided.
If it gets voted in.. he gets to claim he helped save jobs! (and lower pilot labor costs for years!)
Oh, and we are divided.
Always
Motch
What will the “Gives” be? Scope and the 1000 report on the first day of reserve!
09-10-2020 | 05:24 AM
#199
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Finding a job with about 10,000 pilots on the street and a furlough stink on you isn't easy, keeping you on the list for a potential merger, serious worry if United can ever recover from a 3000 pilot furlough, and keeping LTD insurance... there are positives. This hasn't even been put into its final language and people know all they need to know. The conspiracy theorist guys who aren't happy with anything are unsurprisingly making this a conspiracy theory and are unhappy. Got it. The people that don't like the MEC still don't like the MEC. Not unexpected. How about we read it before we start rioting over carve outs or snap backs that may or may not exist.
09-10-2020 | 05:32 AM
#200
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It's a B-Scale...and a C-Scale...for how long
Can't call this "tiered" LPV scheme anything other than what it is: a B-scale and a C-scale, which the United pilots fought so hard to eliminate since 1985.
And the "snapback" language or reversion criteria? You don't need to wait to read the language, as the language won't be worth more than the paper that it's written on. Never is. We have NEVER had bulletproof protection clauses, as the company ALWAYS finds a way around them. Don't we ever learn? So get used to these three-tiered pay schemes to be around for a long, long time. So long that they will make you PAY to get rid of them.
SMFH
And the "snapback" language or reversion criteria? You don't need to wait to read the language, as the language won't be worth more than the paper that it's written on. Never is. We have NEVER had bulletproof protection clauses, as the company ALWAYS finds a way around them. Don't we ever learn? So get used to these three-tiered pay schemes to be around for a long, long time. So long that they will make you PAY to get rid of them.
SMFH
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