Originally Posted by yesto67

The good news is PP is ticking up. Should be a lucrative summer for the senior CAs and FOs. That will show SK.

Originally Posted by Race Bannon

So, is it that much different than Spirit? Last contract cycle Delta was the very last to get a deal after turning down the first TA. Seems as if you are drawing a lot of conclusions from a very short timespan. Seems a little myopic.

How many CEO's do you think you will see in a 30 year career if you stay at 1 carrier?

Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp

Good point, but I still can’t figure out the “pressure” that Kirby is under. Honest question. We’re still getting g new hires by the droves, people are still taking the upgrade, NPS scores are high, and United is saving billions with the current contract.

What “real pressure” is there and when do you think we’ll get a contract?

thanks Sunvox.

Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN

You’re correct, it is laughable how clueless SOME United pilots like “half wing” are with Delta’s and American’s work rules compared to United. I don’t even think our DCI (Delta connection: SkyWest, Republic, Endeavor) regionals allow airport standby in their respective contracts… think about that. I constantly read crap from United pilots portraying their work rules as a close second to our previous contact at Delta. Nope, that’s laughable to think you’re anywhere close to industry standard. They’re dead last when comparing legacy work rule contracts and freaking Spirit lapped them in work rules years ago.

But hey, those WB vacancies available to NH’s, upgrade’s available in one year, that’s just growth for United next and has no relation to the worst work rules for WB reserves and worse QOL out of the big 3 currently for NB CA’s.

Originally Posted by Half wing

You are 100% correct. Kirby does not give a crap about the employees/pilots, all he cares about is the bottom line and his own pockets. Kirby is not Oscar that is for sure.

Regarding AA’s AIP… That helps us and could hurt us. Helps because it puts more pressure on our greedy CEO but hurts because AA’s deal probably won’t help our negotiating position. Friends at AA say Captains they fly with are an automatic yes vote if they get Delta rates. Would be interesting if UA came out with a better TA while AA was voting on theirs like they did to us. Kirby would do that because it would force AA’s TA to fail and eventually cause their deal to be more expensive than ours. Another way to play this if I was Kirby would be to keep slow rolling us and try to say look, “American agreed to a contract that has terrible work rules.” That would work for about 5 more months then Kirby is out of time. We will have our AIP most likely by Halloween and it will be better that American’s contract but not as good as Delta’s.

Originally Posted by Half wing

We will have our AIP most likely by Halloween and it will be better that American’s contract but not as good as Delta’s.

Originally Posted by KnightNight

Skywest had airport ready as I recall, as did compass but they are gone

Originally Posted by Sunvox

I'm counting on ego as a big factor. My impression is he really hates American, and I hope that translates into him wanting AA pilots to look on UAL with jealousy. That's one. Two, I do think pressure from outside may be happening. Our national picket event got some decent headlines, and contracts for pilots are hitting the news weekly as of late. Third and final, even though there's that thread on the other forum demonstrating some goobers still doing clown shows in front of passengers I'm certain that there is less of that happening by the day, and hopefully that is not being lost on management.

Anyways, time will tell. I just hope it tells us something sooner rather than later.

Originally Posted by Hedley

As good or better than are subjective terms and will be measured by 14,000+ individual ideas as to what that means. When we finally get a TA it will have a total cost on par or better to some degree than American and Delta. Cost is all the company cares about and it is something that can be measured. Each individual has their priority list and version of what “better than” would mean. We’ll just have to wait and see where the emphasis of that cost is placed and then vote accordingly.

Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1

If united was behind (even if barely) in terms of rates and well behind in terms of qol. A cost equal to dal will still put you behind. Kirby has to be willing to outpace and give more then the total worth of dal contract to come out ahead. Can’t just match or exceed rates and call it good enough. Matching their qol items will make the total cost of the United contract exceed dal