There are many Regional FOs that have been in the right seat for 10 years or better with no opportunity to upgrade and get the hell out. The "dark decade" has many consequences for all. I had no opportunity to upgrade in 10 years and had to take a huge QOL hit to move to an airline where upgrading was a possibility. I was flying with a lot of captains that I had at least 2500 more 121 time than they had total time.

 

Because the people in charge of hiring have made it clear at all the job fairs I have gone to that while yes PIC time is a very desirable attribute for a candidate to have, United looks at the total package of the applicant and scores them accordingly. The FO's getting hired might not have PIC time, but have served on many different committees for their union (Safety,FOQA,etc), have unique leadership experiences from different times/professions in their lives, active in other volunteer associations in their community, have busted their ass to get to as many job fairs as possible, updated their app religiously and have kept a positive attitude all while being stuck in the right seat for 8-10 years making 30K or so a year.

VS a good amount of those guys that gave up their good schedule for PIC time or that actually had the opportunity to do so might have nothing else to their name besides 5K pic. No extra curricular activities, no special attributes in their career to help distinguish who they are as a person and an aviator. Has attended no job fairs... you get the point. This of course is not a generalization of those that have racked up the PIC time, just a point that not all PIC guys are equal either.

This is of course is just my opinion I have formulated over the years of following the United hiring process and speaking with the recruiters/hiring managers/Chief Pilot. Simply put, the FO's getting hired are not rank and file, unmotivated right seat warmers. They more than likely are becoming excellent additions to your pilot group despite their PIC handicap.

 

Someone could tell me where UAL is Hirring, i mean base, junior base

thank you for the help

best Regards

 

No, I didn't.....however, it needed to be said. I personally had an express f/o in the jumpseat...she was talking about her upcoming Ual interview....said she has been a long time f/o for QOL reasons...could have upgraded several times, but wanted a good sched and days off.....so, yes I had to say it...

If you are a rt seater and have had ZERO opportunity to move to your left with multiple years of service, I could see some gray area there...if you won't move to the left because it's a bro,a q400 or some other reason, then I don't think you need apply at a major...jmho.

 

That's what happens when HR hijacks the process and the pilots have no voice in the hiring. And who in their right mind would mention their union activity and affiliation in an interview? It used to be that you would get raked over the coals if the interviewers sensed that you passed up an opportunity to upgrade...for any reason.

I get that times have been tough and there are guys spending extended periods of time in the right seat. But to hire someone who has only flown right seat in an RJ for the past 7-8 years...knowing they are going to sit the next 10-15 years in the right seat of a guppy? That doesn't bode well for when they finally upgrade. How are they ever going to question the judgment or actions of their crew if they've personally never had the opportunity to make those decisions? All the job fairs in the world won't teach you how to do that.

Welcome to he new united.

 

I believe it's EWR.

 

Thank you, what about the AC, someone? im flying an a320 how long do you think it will take me to hold a seat on a a320

thanks

 

So basically like every airline's hiring department in the 21st century right?

 

I completely agree. I've had several j/s peeps lately having interviews coming up. Here or AA. All f/o never upgraded. And several = 6 in last 2 months. They all could have upgraded every F'n 1 of them.
There is also a 100% chance 50% or more were split tails.

HR is out there to make sure we are all safe though

 

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