And then there's those of us who took the first upgrade, got PIC as quickly as possible taking QOL hits due to reserve and low in base seniority and only want to work for UAL and can't get a call to save our lives.

I wish I knew what the magic formula was.

 

I know man. I got a buddy who has been waiting forever for a call. First to upgrade, spotless record, check airman, big volunteer for charity events around 10-11k hours and a dozen recs, can't get a call

 

Yeah, just the like the CA's that had to suck up the dark decade, and were possibly stuck at the bottom of the list with little or no movement. Or a a fairly "new" CA that sat FO for a long time and took the first upgrade. And is NOW sucking up the crappy schedule, "working hard" on reserve, or the aforementioned ACMI, or a fractional, or a foreign contract pilot, whatever.

 

Wow, the demand crashed the first ticket sales site and then it sold out in less than 5 minutes. That's pretty impressive.

 

Really? That's like me saying that no one should ever apply to a major because they went to zero to hero ATP school since those guys have the best decision making skills!! (not my opinion just an example of an ignorant statements).

Just curious what makes a guys with 5k pic a better dmaker than and FO with 7k?

They want the total package not just a guy whose timing was better as for the last decade that is the difference.

And what about our captains that go on long haul flight without an APu. I knows it Mel able but is it a smart decision? Know of 6 in last 3 months?

Your making a generalized stereotype. Jmho!!

 

Overheard from someone high at TK, plan to interview 2200 to get 1300 in the next 18 months.

Good luck!

 

If they are going to hire ~433.3/6 mos they must be planning on growth. For now.

 

Well seeing how they are in Colorado I bet they were high spouting off those numbers.

 

What about the 8 year RJ FO that has been making 35K since he got out of college, with a wife and 2 kids, that has had a bid in for upgrade on the most junior equipment in the most junior base since he got out of new hire training? It really irritates me when RJ CAs talk about "paying their dues" when they upgraded in 2 years or less at $70+ dollars an hour. Try making $35 an hour watching year after year go by wondering if you'll even have a job let alone upgrade. Guys like us have 2 choices: either sit around depressed and wait for an upgrade that may never come because it's "the right thing to do", or get off our ass, network our asses off, volunteer, get advanced degrees, get involved, and take our 8000 hours of SIC and make something happen. That's what I did and if guys are going to look down on me for it, so be it.

I have a family of 4 to feed and as long as I'm not crossing a picket line or contributing to the race to the bottom, I owe it to my family to work my ass off for a better life. It's not my fault I couldn't upgrade. I may never have sat in the left seat, but I made plenty of hard decisions when the guy sitting next to me couldn't. If guys think I'm less of a pilot because I never upgraded, I guess I'll have to live with that. I passed the type ride just like everyone else, and I'm happy to demonstrate proficiency at any time. United Airlines captain training should be the same for everyone. If they release you from the training center, they should be confident you have the ability to perform your captain duties. By that point, your background shouldn't matter. I am happy to be here and really doing all I can to make this operation the best it can be. It's a shame some feel those like me are less than qualified. I was hoping I left all that drama behind at the regional.

 

Well said and agree with everything. I'm also coming up on 8 yrs as an RJ FO, and not by choice. I've been through a furlough, company shutdown and 1st yr FO pay twice already and no where near upgrade due to my seniority and stagnation.