CJC1024

It all seems pretty silly to me. I currently work for a 135 operator with CASS and ride in the back of DL flights every week. Why can't they just list you for the JS through CASS and put you in the back if there's a seat open? As soon as they put in OO to look for you in CASS does it just flash a huge frowny face on the screen??

skypilot35

I think the idea of denying a fellow pilot a ride home or a ride to work is ridiculous. I don't agree with CCB's method, but I do agree with his point. Why would a pilot not be allowed a seat in the back? As previously stated in this thread, the E175 guys are not offered Delta Benefits and cannot sign up so they are denied a seat in the back by the gate agent (personally I think this is the problem). If there is a seat available then you get a ride, regardless.

ClickClickBoom

Guess you don't read so well, I have cleared this with my CP. Its my personal policy that matches the current effective agreement, as I see it and from personal experience. I was left at the gate, the airplane pushed with 50 open seats and the Captain said " that's the rules" sorry. I almost lost out on some personal business opportunities.
Lifer, nope apps out and will bolt at the first opportunity.

Speedbird2263

My first year at my regional I didn't make enough money to even consider non-reving somewhere so I decided not to pay the $50 or in my case $150 for myself and my wife(ASA). In the entire year I had only two situations where a gate agent refused to list me due to non payment of fees. I tried explaining twice that I was not non-reving but Jumpseating which is a negotiated privilege and to no avail. 99% of the time though I had good agents who would list me on the J/S then tell me which seat to take in the back if there was an open one, in all such cases I would still check-in with the skipper seeing as I was on an official j/s pass.

May just be my shortsighted opinion but paying for a negotiated Professional privilege just doesn't seem right, especially when you support contracted operations for that specific airline. Again I completely understand non-revenue leisure travel to be different from Jumpseating to and from work. Just my two cents. I hope OO and DL get that resolved in a professional manner.

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RockyBoy

Because SkyWest flies for every major airline in the U.S. and I'd imagine it is a mess to figure all that out. If they are flying the E jets they are on a non Delta fleet. So, they shouldn't have Delta non-rev benefits, just United. They should however be able to jumpseat. I'd imagine the issue is due in part to this fact. The feet dragging may be due to the fact that SkyWest guys that are on the United only side were being positive spaced to training on Delta aircraft. Delta did not like that abuse. Used to happen all the time between DEN-SLC and ORD-SLC.

RockyBoy

I'd shut up if I were you then. Not hard to figure out who people are around this place.

skypilot35

There is no way in hell this guy will ever shut up!

Check Complete

The problem is that DAL needs a PPR number for SkyWest pilots. If you don't pay the fine, I mean fee, you can not get a PPR number. The 175 guys can't get one regardless. Everything that has been said here is correct and it really is an IT issue with DAL.

I feel this should start out as a letter to individual Delta pilots using their jump privileges and if there is no fix in sight then denial. I participated in the pressure on United years ago and it was successful. I don't think this is an issue where DALPA doesn't care but it's not real high on their priority list and they have bigger fish to fry with DAL. Right up until guys start missing their commute.

And, if I have an FO that cannot tolerate my decision of who gets to use the jumpseat, please find and use the main cabin door.

CJC1024

A PPR number to jumpseat? Strange. Oh well. It's just crazy that a Skywest 175 guy can't ride on DAL but a Shorts 360 driver with no airline affiliation can.

RockyBoy

Well, I didn't realize this was even an issue. Doing anything within DAL regarding IT is a total mess. DALPA has some pull, but in the end the IT department is focusing entirely on customer IT issues only. As far as flight ops IT stuff goes, if it doesn't somehow result in better customer service, then they won't touch it.

I'm not a commuter, but have been before and most likely will end up one again someday. If there are any E-jet guys trying to get on a flight that I'm working, I'll make sure the boss lets the gate agent know what's up. If the agents have a work around, then we'll go when the work around gets done. If not, we'll go late. THAT will get Delta to fix it faster than getting DALPA involved via a threat of a jumpseat ban.