Attrition?
01-20-2022 | 05:26 PM
#151
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I'll ask again. Why are we here? I thought the new guard/VX guys were going to start kicking ass and taking names? If the new guys are so tough, why is Gerry Mcguckin been assigned to us by the NMB? This sure looks a lot like it did 25 years ago. You guys don't seem to have any new ideas that mean jack sh*t.
As to the rest of your post... You know what else you can do besides sitting around waiting for something to vote on, is fly the contract. I can always tell when I'm flying with someone who knows what that means, or when I'm flying with someone who is content to go with the flow and make personal sacrifices at work because it's more expedient than forcing the company to follow the rules. I hope you are part of the former and not the latter.
01-20-2022 | 05:36 PM
#152
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It's not weird at all unless you're not paying attention. Who told you I have anything to do with Seattle real estate? I didn't and I don't. Never have. Let's do a little thought experiment. Let's assume I bought residential rentals in Maple Valley, (wherever TF that is) 20 years ago. Do you think I earned the same numerical hourly rate from Alaska? What about that inflation/deflation equation? Understanding that, was it really a bargain? IDK. If you're going to fabricate a 22% inflationary rate, (which I don't believe) you need to balance that ledger as well. I talk down to the eminently entitled little douche bags like Hot Dog because I find him pathetic. Who told him a Fking Airline was going to grace him with the most blessed life? Grow up. Your decisions are on you. Did Hot Douche not know where he was applying? Did the contract change for the worse after Indoc? I'll thank him for leaving. That's it. I don't need to sit next to perpetually aggrieved, quivering lipped little ***** for the next 4 day. I have every expectation, that he will carry that on to his next naive employer. As far as reserve goes, every airline has it. Some sit it for weeks, some for years, and a few for over a decade. All of whom are currently working pilots at Alaska and every other airline.
I'll ask again. Why are we here? I thought the new guard/VX guys were going to start kicking ass and taking names? If the new guys are so tough, why is Gerry Mcguckin been assigned to us by the NMB? This sure looks a lot like it did 25 years ago. You guys don't seem to have any new ideas that mean jack sh*t.
I'll ask again. Why are we here? I thought the new guard/VX guys were going to start kicking ass and taking names? If the new guys are so tough, why is Gerry Mcguckin been assigned to us by the NMB? This sure looks a lot like it did 25 years ago. You guys don't seem to have any new ideas that mean jack sh*t.
Maple Valley is one of the places where real estate values have doubled in the greater Seattle area. Since I moved to Seattle, 4 years ago.
It’s pretty callous to insult those junior to you when the economics and cost of living has changed radically since I moved to Seattle only 4 years ago. For those senior to me the change will have been even more massive.
If anyone on APC has done anything to help the pilot group at our shop it’s Hot Dog. We should have gratitude for him. Not mockery and insults.
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01-20-2022 | 05:45 PM
#153
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It's not McGuckin, it's Tosi.
As to the rest of your post... You know what else you can do besides sitting around waiting for something to vote on, is fly the contract. I can always tell when I'm flying with someone who knows what that means, or when I'm flying with someone who is content to go with the flow and make personal sacrifices at work because it's more expedient than forcing the company to follow the rules. I hope you are part of the former and not the latter.
As to the rest of your post... You know what else you can do besides sitting around waiting for something to vote on, is fly the contract. I can always tell when I'm flying with someone who knows what that means, or when I'm flying with someone who is content to go with the flow and make personal sacrifices at work because it's more expedient than forcing the company to follow the rules. I hope you are part of the former and not the latter.
Hahah your post is going to get deleted by the attorney in training and expert at everything (in his mind)
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01-20-2022 | 09:31 PM
#154
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Maple Valley is one of the places where real estate values have doubled in the greater Seattle area. Since I moved to Seattle, 4 years ago.
It’s pretty callous to insult those junior to you when the economics and cost of living has changed radically since I moved to Seattle only 4 years ago. For those senior to me the change will have been even more massive.
If anyone on APC has done anything to help the pilot group at our shop it’s Hot Dog. We should have gratitude for him. Not mockery and insults.
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It’s pretty callous to insult those junior to you when the economics and cost of living has changed radically since I moved to Seattle only 4 years ago. For those senior to me the change will have been even more massive.
If anyone on APC has done anything to help the pilot group at our shop it’s Hot Dog. We should have gratitude for him. Not mockery and insults.
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01-20-2022 | 09:34 PM
#155
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I take it as “this job is a paycheck job, you’d do well to find non-flying income streams from (anything other than flying) in order to bolster your financial security and freedom.”
01-20-2022 | 09:43 PM
#156
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For leaving. It’s a far greater catalyst for change than anything you or myself has done to better our position with management.
It’s the missing leverage you described.
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01-20-2022 | 10:14 PM
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The attrition leverage? Yes, it is, but not in any great numbers to make a large difference. Sun Country didn’t get a new contract because mgt loved their pilots. They got a new contract because they only had about 400 pilots and something like 150 quit in a year. We had how many leave in 2021? 40? 50? Attrition here is about 1.25%. Nothing big to write home about.
01-20-2022 | 10:17 PM
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The attrition leverage? Yes, it is, but not in any great numbers to make a large difference. Sun Country didn’t get a new contract because mgt loved their pilots. They got a new contract because they only had about 400 pilots and something like 150 quit in a year. We had how many leave in 2021? 40? 50? Attrition here is about 1.25%. Nothing big to write home about.
01-20-2022 | 10:25 PM
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Yes, it will be interesting to see how attrition shapes up. I'm not holding my breath though. I know a Skywest CA who interviewed and was not hired. I thought she was a good person and would have been a positive addition, and the type who would stick around here long term. Clearly they didn't like her or thought different. This place is still picky. I know people who have applied but haven't been called, and cases like her that interviewed but got the no thanks.
There isn't desperation - yet anyway.
There isn't desperation - yet anyway.
01-21-2022 | 05:00 AM
#160
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I'll ask again. Why are we here? I thought the new guard/VX guys were going to start kicking ass and taking names? If the new guys are so tough, why is Gerry Mcguckin been assigned to us by the NMB? This sure looks a lot like it did 25 years ago. You guys don't seem to have any new ideas that mean jack sh*t.
If it wasn't for VX, the new crop of pilots, and the legacy AS pilots who are smart enough to see beyond Angle Lake, you would just be getting served another crap and weak CBA that you would pretend to vote no on...
The fact that our current union has pushed back on management ,and continually pushed for our interests to the point we got to NMB mediations should show you that this TA won't be made with some hand shakes on the golf course. We are in this fight, we are not backing down, and AS is going to have to come to the table with meaningful changes. Embrace the change of this 2022 pilot group and realize that the time for change is here. We have too much leverage, AS makes too much money, and the industry outlook for qualified pilots is too dire for management to ignore. Make sure you bid 4/1 off
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