Originally Posted by KnockKnock

Are you saying that other airline employees, discussing the fact that their airlines are slowing the pace of hiring and growth while citing oil and staffing models, are full of sh!t and you know better then they? In the last month, there have been a number of threads on other airline boards, regarding slowing growth and hiring. They all sound eerily similar to many of the threads on Alaska’s boards. If a majority of airlines are starting to experience similar, all be it at different percentages due to size of the airlines, circumstances, then yeah, I guess you could call it an industry wide slow down. AS just made a 13% margin. That’s down from last Q2. Now you could say they lost money compared to last year or you could say they made money and beat their projections this Q2. It’s all how you look at it. I’m looking at the fact that other airline employees are saying things are slowing down due to the same things, WE at AS, are slowing down for. Oil, staffing models, competition etc. Those are just facts as stated by those who work for those companies. You can come up with all the neat analogies about slowing your Mach speed you want but it doesn’t change what’s going on. Are you truly terrified that AS is in the midsts of its death throes? It shouldn’t come as any surprise that management will use those lower profit margins as a backdrop for negotiations come 2020. That’s par for the course....Yawn....move along, nothing to see here. Just ride the ride and put that umbrella away cuz the sky isn’t falling.

Originally Posted by av8or

Brother, I’ve already been through the fire.... more than once. I can ASSURE you I’m not terrified of much at this point and certainly not what happens here at Alaska. I have backup plans, and back up plans to the backup plan.

And I didn’t say the sky was falling. I simply made what I still believe is an accurate comparison of our slowdown vs others. I find our defensive strategy more, let’s say “curious” than anything... and still optimistic about the future. Guess we’ll see!!!

Originally Posted by KnockKnock

Sure, I agree that other airlines are slowing or curbing hiring at different rates than AS. I guess my point is that all, or most, airlines are experiencing some sort of pullback in hiring and all are citing very similar reasons for why it’s happening. If everyone else was still plowing forward at their previous rates in spite of higher costs/oil/competition and we just announced slowing to 2% growth, that might give me pause. However, because other airlines are feeling similar expense crunches, I feel like it’s just another day on the roller coaster. Since I and it sounds like you as well, are staying on at AS all we can do is put the bar down and ride it. I’m with you being optimistic about the future. If I wasn’t and I truly thought things were going to go titsup, I’d be trying to leave.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

Realistically, they are probably not big enough to justify the overhead on two fleet types... unless they're going to merge again.

Originally Posted by Alaskaflier

I truly can’t believe the amount of grown adult cry babies posing as “professionals” are on this thread. Y’all have a nice income, a decent schedule, and a sit on your butt (for the most part) job. Yet you still find something to **** and moan about. I’d be willing to bet your either single, divorced or about to be. This thread is so off topic and we have the Unappreciative Pilots of Alaska to thank. I’m sure your all a “real joy” to fly with. IMO you cry baby pilots are what if wrong with the industry. You thing that just because your a big bad pilot that your employer owes you something. You all sound like some entitled millennials who think that they should be making $20 an hr to flip burgers. The only difference is that you earn a fair wage, with benefits, I might add, yet you still manage to have a regular menstral cycle highlighted with the cramps of your so called mistreatment. You complainers about how bad the company is should all give yourselves a big pat on the shoulder for be such a ignorant disgrace to the profession. Your lucky I’m not your boss, because in my world, I’d be enjoying the pleasure firing each of you. This is a trade and profession that many of us love. If you don’t like it, quit *****ing and go find something else.

Originally Posted by 305808

....Meanwhile HAL has 4 airframes with a little over 700 Pilots... I think AS can make it work. 321 transcon/Trans pac, 737 high cycle short haul? That way they can always play manufacturers off one another.

Originally Posted by Alaskaflier

I truly can’t believe the amount of grown adult cry babies posing as “professionals” are on this thread. Y’all have a nice income, a decent schedule, and a sit on your butt (for the most part) job. Yet you still find something to **** and moan about. I’d be willing to bet your either single, divorced or about to be. This thread is so off topic and we have the Unappreciative Pilots of Alaska to thank. I’m sure your all a “real joy” to fly with. IMO you cry baby pilots are what if wrong with the industry. You thing that just because your a big bad pilot that your employer owes you something. You all sound like some entitled millennials who think that they should be making $20 an hr to flip burgers. The only difference is that you earn a fair wage, with benefits, I might add, yet you still manage to have a regular menstral cycle highlighted with the cramps of your so called mistreatment. You complainers about how bad the company is should all give yourselves a big pat on the shoulder for be such a ignorant disgrace to the profession. Your lucky I’m not your boss, because in my world, I’d be enjoying the pleasure firing each of you. This is a trade and profession that many of us love. If you don’t like it, quit *****ing and go find something else.

Originally Posted by Ray Red

Seattle traffic and a cubicle life got ya down?

Originally Posted by Alaskaflier

I truly can’t believe the amount of grown adult cry babies posing as “professionals” are on this thread. Y’all have a nice income, a decent schedule, and a sit on your butt (for the most part) job. Yet you still find something to **** and moan about. I’d be willing to bet your either single, divorced or about to be. This thread is so off topic and we have the Unappreciative Pilots of Alaska to thank. I’m sure your all a “real joy” to fly with. IMO you cry baby pilots are what if wrong with the industry. You thing that just because your a big bad pilot that your employer owes you something. You all sound like some entitled millennials who think that they should be making $20 an hr to flip burgers. The only difference is that you earn a fair wage, with benefits, I might add, yet you still manage to have a regular menstral cycle highlighted with the cramps of your so called mistreatment. You complainers about how bad the company is should all give yourselves a big pat on the shoulder for be such a ignorant disgrace to the profession. Your lucky I’m not your boss, because in my world, I’d be enjoying the pleasure firing each of you. This is a trade and profession that many of us love. If you don’t like it, quit *****ing and go find something else.