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11-27-2016 | 02:51 PM
#4751
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Can you explain what you mean? If the company decides to remove all MD80s from a base, why wouldn't they want to displace you per 12.L.1.a? Sure they can decide not to, but that would only mean a bunch of pilots would be getting paid indefinitely for not ever working again. That would be a great deal but doesn't sound likely.
12.D.3 says all vacancies will be awarded in seniority order. (I.e. a base decides it would like to add a bunch of airbuses)
12.D.3 says all vacancies will be awarded in seniority order. (I.e. a base decides it would like to add a bunch of airbuses)
If someone senior wants the bus in AVL, and all the slots are filled by the time the current AVL MD80 guys' bids are reached (done in seniority order), then yes, they will be displaced, but they are not automatically displaced.
It basically means that if no one else senior wants to go there and fly the bus, the current MD80 guys will get to stay in AVL. That being said, I have heard several senior people say they are thinking about bidding AVL when it goes to the bus.
11-27-2016 | 04:25 PM
#4752
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The total amount of positions (FO and Captain) in AVL will be put out to bid to all pilots. If no one senior to the people that are currently in AVL on the MD80 decide to bid it, then the MD80 crews currently there can be awarded the bus bid there.
If someone senior wants the bus in AVL, and all the slots are filled by the time the current AVL MD80 guys' bids are reached (done in seniority order), then yes, they will be displaced, but they are not automatically displaced.
It basically means that if no one else senior wants to go there and fly the bus, the current MD80 guys will get to stay in AVL. That being said, I have heard several senior people say they are thinking about bidding AVL when it goes to the bus.
If someone senior wants the bus in AVL, and all the slots are filled by the time the current AVL MD80 guys' bids are reached (done in seniority order), then yes, they will be displaced, but they are not automatically displaced.
It basically means that if no one else senior wants to go there and fly the bus, the current MD80 guys will get to stay in AVL. That being said, I have heard several senior people say they are thinking about bidding AVL when it goes to the bus.
11-27-2016 | 04:26 PM
#4753
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The total amount of positions (FO and Captain) in AVL will be put out to bid to all pilots. If no one senior to the people that are currently in AVL on the MD80 decide to bid it, then the MD80 crews currently there can be awarded the bus bid there.
If someone senior wants the bus in AVL, and all the slots are filled by the time the current AVL MD80 guys' bids are reached (done in seniority order), then yes, they will be displaced, but they are not automatically displaced.
It basically means that if no one else senior wants to go there and fly the bus, the current MD80 guys will get to stay in AVL. That being said, I have heard several senior people say they are thinking about bidding AVL when it goes to the bus.
If someone senior wants the bus in AVL, and all the slots are filled by the time the current AVL MD80 guys' bids are reached (done in seniority order), then yes, they will be displaced, but they are not automatically displaced.
It basically means that if no one else senior wants to go there and fly the bus, the current MD80 guys will get to stay in AVL. That being said, I have heard several senior people say they are thinking about bidding AVL when it goes to the bus.
11-27-2016 | 05:45 PM
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I am not arguing with you. You didn't seem to understand after someone else told you that they could be displaced, but wouldn't absolutely be displaced. I explained how it works. The equipment lock may apply though. I am not sure.
11-27-2016 | 06:38 PM
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Well they will either be displaced or have a great job where they never have to come in to work if that is what you mean by 'could'.
11-27-2016 | 09:27 PM
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Know this though, being junior on the MD-80 will be a miserable existence over the next 18-24 months while we transition. You will have lots of reserve and probably be relegated to LAS or SFB depending on which base has -80's last. I recently was told SFB looks like it will be last now.
11-28-2016 | 05:48 AM
#4758
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This entire change over of the MD80 to the Airbus cannot be looked at as a single event. It's two separate events, a vacancy as well as an overstaffed position. One event follows vacancy rules, the other follows displacement rules.
11-28-2016 | 06:03 AM
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Well there's also 12.L.1d...when vacancies are posted during or within 30 days of a displacement bid, an existing equipment lock shall not prevent a pilot who is being displaced from bidding and being awarded a vacancy.
It gets messy if the don't run them within 30 days and the displaced pilots actually have the seniority to bid back into that base or they don't have the seniority regardless and they are bumped elsewhere. The next year is gonna be painful for some pilots with IWA, PIE and AVL all facing this.
It gets messy if the don't run them within 30 days and the displaced pilots actually have the seniority to bid back into that base or they don't have the seniority regardless and they are bumped elsewhere. The next year is gonna be painful for some pilots with IWA, PIE and AVL all facing this.
11-28-2016 | 06:20 AM
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Well there's also 12.L.1d...when vacancies are posted during or within 30 days of a displacement bid, an existing equipment lock shall not prevent a pilot who is being displaced from bidding and being awarded a vacancy.
It gets messy if the don't run them within 30 days and the displaced pilots actually have the seniority to bid back into that base or they don't have the seniority regardless and they are bumped elsewhere. The next year is gonna be painful for some pilots with IWA, PIE and AVL all facing this.
It gets messy if the don't run them within 30 days and the displaced pilots actually have the seniority to bid back into that base or they don't have the seniority regardless and they are bumped elsewhere. The next year is gonna be painful for some pilots with IWA, PIE and AVL all facing this.
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