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12-14-2014, 07:43 AM
#1101
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Originally Posted by psw757
I'd also like to add that I think this is a critical time for out pilot group and whatever the final best last offer is should go out for a vote to the membership. If it fails and goes to arbitration fine but based on everyone I've worked with in the last 2 months, most seem to generally share the same view I posted earlier and I actually think it would have a good chance to pass. This includes AA pilots we've had in Jumpseat.
I'll go back to being a lurker for the next 5 years again now!
I'll go back to being a lurker for the next 5 years again now!
Even if the arbitration trigger is pulled, that doesn't preclude any type of deal.
12-14-2014, 07:59 AM
#1102
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
The only way for that is majority BOD vote to do that. The key is that they have to stand behind what they send to the pilots or they emasculate their validity (and their effectiveness) in the future. Unless there's either enough movement on Parker's side to get a defection turning the majority into the minority, odds are against that. Personally (still), I think we'll eventually have something to vote on. When is the question ?
Even if the arbitration trigger is pulled, that doesn't preclude any type of deal.
Even if the arbitration trigger is pulled, that doesn't preclude any type of deal.
Parker is offering us $1B instead of going to arbitration. I ain't as smart as Forrest Gump, but it appears that Parker/Glass calculators show most money from the current offer rather than arbitration.
The BOD has to counter the current offer to explore Parker/Glass calculations. Break out the cowbell. Explore the space. By the time this is over we will be "wearing gold plated diapers", unless we fold now.
12-14-2014, 08:04 AM
#1103
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Originally Posted by Saabs
They will cut a lot more captain positions if this POS gets voted in eliminating separate international and domestic divisions. That's what we call a concession.
The punishments now are designed to cause mutiny against the BOD so that Parker/Glass get to effectively deal directly with the members. Glass has caused mutiny before and if he is successful, they can end up getting the members to beg for just half of what they are offering now.
If we stick together and support the BOD it will be difficult, but it wont suck near as bad as the cuts they would get if we say yes now.
12-14-2014, 08:11 AM
#1104
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Originally Posted by psw757
I just don't see how we ever get back the 25-30k maybe more...
The important question is how does Parker/Glass get that money back from us? He ALWAYS makes employees pay for their own pay raise. If he could get that much money from us in arbitration he would have already gone to it, since it is their prerogative.
The way he gets that money back is by reducing the number of captains required to fly the same amount of passengers, through HBT concessions and INT/DOM concessions.
Any pay raise we grab now will be completely lost to the years of delayed upgrades.
12-14-2014, 08:59 AM
#1105
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In theory I agree with all the facts that have been laid out here but the fact of the matter is the only thing for certain in life and business is now. We are profitable right now, in 5-10 years maybe not. As we all know this industry is cyclical and we are in a good decade. It may or may not continue, I love how everyone here is Nostradamus and predicting a rosy future forever, I am not as optimistic.
You know what they all say about opinions there like a&@$oles everyone has one.
You know what they all say about opinions there like a&@$oles everyone has one.
12-14-2014, 09:04 AM
#1106
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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle
Agreed.
The punishments now are designed to cause mutiny against the BOD so that Parker/Glass get to effectively deal directly with the members. Glass has caused mutiny before and if he is successful, they can end up getting the members to beg for just half of what they are offering now.
The punishments now are designed to cause mutiny against the BOD so that Parker/Glass get to effectively deal directly with the members. Glass has caused mutiny before and if he is successful, they can end up getting the members to beg for just half of what they are offering now.
Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle
If we stick together and support the BOD it will be difficult, but it wont suck near as bad as the cuts they would get if we say yes now.
12-14-2014, 09:07 AM
#1107
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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle
The important question is how does Parker/Glass get that money back from us? He ALWAYS makes employees pay for their own pay raise. If he could get that much money from us in arbitration he would have already gone to it, since it is their prerogative.
The way he gets that money back is by reducing the number of captains required to fly the same amount of passengers, through HBT concessions and INT/DOM concessions.
Any pay raise we grab now will be completely lost to the years of delayed upgrades.
The way he gets that money back is by reducing the number of captains required to fly the same amount of passengers, through HBT concessions and INT/DOM concessions.
Any pay raise we grab now will be completely lost to the years of delayed upgrades.
For now, Let's give Parker a Christmas present- Take out as many full page newspaper ads as we can afford.
12-14-2014, 09:08 AM
#1108
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Originally Posted by psw757
In theory I agree with all the facts that have been laid out here but the fact of the matter is the only thing for certain in life and business is now. We are profitable right now, in 5-10 years maybe not. As we all know this industry is cyclical and we are in a good decade. It may or may not continue, I love how everyone here is Nostradamus and predicting a rosy future forever, I am not as optimistic.
You know what they all say about opinions there like a&@$oles everyone has one.
You know what they all say about opinions there like a&@$oles everyone has one.
Additionally, requiring us to "buy" our pay increases isn't really a pay increase, now is it ?
12-14-2014, 09:14 AM
#1109
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Originally Posted by justjack
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind the Glass was brought on to set up the shell game and that any money offered on one end will be taken from another. There is no other reason for Glass to be a part of this. The instant that I found out that Glass was hired, I knew that Parker had not changed and that we were doomed to being second class, LCC pilots. It is over for now, I assure you. Look at the MOU- that is all we are getting and we will grieve, fight tooth and nail, to get even that. As much as anything I dread finishing out my career with miserable pilots. I just hope y'all never forget this. The next round will be global competition and maybe even harder.
For now, Let's give Parker a Christmas present- Take out as many full page newspaper ads as we can afford.
For now, Let's give Parker a Christmas present- Take out as many full page newspaper ads as we can afford.
12-14-2014, 09:14 AM
#1110
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Sure it's cyclical, but there are many ways to skin a cat regarding a fair share of present and near-term profits expected to be nothing short of staggering. In fact, considering the F/A's "me too" demands have vaporized, I'd say even more ways then 2 days ago, yes ? Additionally, requiring us to "buy" our pay increases isn't really a pay increase, now is it ?
Additionally, requiring us to "buy" our pay increases isn't really a pay increase, now is it ?
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