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Old 11-20-2014 | 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO
Why do you bend over so easily?

You did call WD a Chump, gets you 2 Coors Light in a future bar :-)



You're dude
OK. YOU'RE.......DUDE. No, there are very good reasons for working with the Company on this one. There is no shame in it. You phrase it as "bending over". Remember.....

“The green reed which bends in the wind is stronger than the mighty oak which breaks in a storm.” ― Confucius

You and I and the rest of the pilots are the "reeds" but the APA is the Oak. However, the "oak tree" has NOT grown tall enough to support the wind of change. I believe that it never will.

My beliefs of what we do in our profession is intertwined with the laws of nature. But that is just me.
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Old 11-20-2014 | 03:34 AM
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The pilots have been bending in the wind for a very long time.
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Old 11-20-2014 | 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO
The pilots have been bending in the wind for a very long time.
And that makes for a very long career. So, how do you think the "big oaks" of union(s) are doing?
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Old 11-20-2014 | 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76
AA73, I understand where you're coming from, however, I disagree with one point. Doug is not afraid of arbitration. If we don't consider this proposal, it will certainly go to arbitration. The FA'S were only 16 votes away from approval. He could have made a small tweak to sway at least 17 people and revote to get passage, but no, straight to arbitration. I think arbitration is what the company wants. They offer these high rates, making them look good to the public like they are trying to be good to their employees, though the public never hears about how the other details are subpar. We refuse it, go to arbitration, and now we are seen as greedy pilots in the publics eye and Doug saves a ton of money in arbitration. I think that has been the strategy all along.
He wouldn't do this BEFORE finishing his dealing with the pilots. What would APA and the pilots believe if he did ?

That his no-nonsense, tough guy stance is show and WE would take advantage of HIM.

Now, Parker may indeed be fine with arbitration, but using the F/A's situation is falling into a mind-trap without thinking. Parker has courted Envoy pilots repeatedly after each rejection, but is still playing hardball there. His strategies of the past are only resulting in consistent failure and if this continues, that is where AA is ultimately headed.

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Old 11-20-2014 | 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
He wouldn't do this BEFORE finishing his dealing with the pilots. What would APA and the pilots believe if he.did ?

That his non-nonsense, tough guy stance is show and WE would take advantage of HIM.

Now, Parker may indeed be fine with arbitration, but using the F/A's situation is falling into a mind-trap without thinking. Parker has courted Envoy pilots repeatedly after each rejection, but is still playing hardball there. His strategies of the last are only resulting in consistent failure and if this continues, that is where AA is ultimately headed.
Doug and Scott are THUGS. You guys should start you job action today!

Playing hardball. Welcome to the "big leagues" SLUGGER!
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Old 11-20-2014 | 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Route66
If it's so bad here why don't you QUIT? I mean, really, with someone of your intelligence you should be able to make better than this money at a job that works you less.

Really....I feel sorry for you! REALLY!
[yawn]
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Old 11-20-2014 | 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Route66
Doug and Scott are THUGS. You guys should start you job action today!

Playing hardball. Welcome to the "big leagues" SLUGGER!
Why would we need to do that ?

As I stated before, I don't think "job actions" will be necessary. Doug is going to derail this train all by himself.
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Old 11-20-2014 | 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Route66
Doug and Scott are THUGS. YES You guys should start you job action today! What's wrong with you?

Playing hardball. Welcome to the "big leagues" SLUGGER!

...........
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Old 11-20-2014 | 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO
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Yep. Get going on that.
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Old 11-20-2014 | 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO
...........You guys should start your job action today! What's wrong with you?
Hoping to bait someone into advocating illegal activity so he can forward it to his pals in management.
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