[QTE=eaglefly;1turd, ypub66]. But, it's O.K. I know most of the East guys aren't onboard with AA pilots or APA and again, we'll all lose in the end. Like it or not, the curse of USAPA is a gift that keeps on giving.[/QUOTE]

You are a special case.

The APA told us that they didn't need our input. They told us "we got this kids." And it's our fault! ?

The APA Delivered this turd, you own it.

 

Give us 7 hours min per calendar day and I will go back on LOA 93 and work to FARs!

I agree with you that the min calendar day is essential. We have three days that pay 10 hours and four days that pay 14 hours, resulting in MANY block holders that get 20+ day lines.

 

No problem. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the best long-term path for this pilot group. I have suspicions of what may occur based on the past, but I'll keep those to myself. With over 25 years in this business, I've learned that pilots are almost always their worst enemy and I don't see this situation much differently. Parker knows it, Glass knows it and they're playing it right down the middle.

 

+ 1

When I had AA pilots on the jump seat that went apoplectic at the mere whisper of Horton's name.. and swore they heard angles sing at the mention of Parker's.. I knew we were in trouble.

 

Unfortunately, as it stands now, that's not the deal currently in consideration. Either take what's offered now or arbitrate, i.e. accept or reject. In 11-13 years the same choice comes back (accept or reject) only worse, because it may involve far more risk then this situation to overcome it. If this group (leadership and membership alike) can't do it now with less risk, then they'll likely not in 11-13 years.

For over 25 years, I've been hearing that silly phrase "live to fight another day" from pilots and a quarter century later, I've yet to see that day arrive. It's always a mythical day sometime in the future.

[Elmer Fudd] : Such siwwy, siwwy piwots.

 

Well, it's not like your pilot group would have gotten anywhere in the future. Even if you had through some miracle resolved your seniority differences (or had them resolved for you), Parker would have cleaned your clock in contract negotiations. You can't tell me East pilots would have fought Parker....not after listening to all this stuff. But, I agree many here became intoxicated. I was one of those who preferred dealing with Horton in the future vs. a merger with US Airways. I also voted both against LBFO I and II. In the end, I still believe none of this will have really paid off. With Horton, we'd be poorer then now, but had we not tethered ourselves to this poisoned well and its poisoner, we'd be in section 6 (early openers) in 2016, far more healthy and united. Now, its a band of fragmented carpet-baggers.

With the old AA, we'd still have the "old" AA, but that's what we still will have now . We'd be poorer with $180 hour 12-year captains, 2% annual raises, except 2016 when our pay would have been adjusted to an "industry comparable" rate , providing a boost that would be comparable to Parker's arbitration, annual 5% profit sharing (we would have been profitable, but how much absent the presently bloated "synergy" bubble eventually to collapse, is unknown) and no other pilot groups to share a 900 aircraft order/option schedule with. Looking at it now, I believe we'd have more leverage in 2 years given Delta's situation and likely UAL upcoming situation and the timing would have been better. Oh well, water under the bridge..........

This was all a crapshoot and like I said in another post, just another one of APA's "snake eye" moves. Both APA and AA pilots screwed up running to this disaster of a merger (for AA pilots) and that can never be changed. All that's left to do is wallow together hand-in-hand in mediocrity. We got more then Parker when we dumped the "AA world" and joined the "US Airways world". Oh, how many AA pilots would like a do over now ?

I bet that vote now would be a no-brainer and Horton and the BK LBFO II would be back in a heartbeat.

AA pilots will have buyers remorse for the duration of their careers.

 

In other words, "I don't think any US Air third list pilot should be above me on the seniority list. I should be given full credit for all my time spent in the regionals". We get it..

 

How did you interpret that conclusion from that post ?

I wasn't thinking of SLI issues at all when I wrote. Obviously, that's all you see.

 

Come on. Surly (Don't call me Shirley) by now, you know Parker well enough to know he went where he thought he would get the best deal. As I said before the only thing in our agreement with Parker that was worth anything was a change of ownership clause. He knew he had used every ounce of goodwill with us and there was no way he would get as good a deal as he did with AA in the time frame that he needed. Still, while I voted "no" on LOA 93 and was indeed fine with burning down the house, I voted "yes" on the MOU. Although I was offended by the way Parker did this, I knew that we needed to merge and I was sick of the situation at US. Plus I saw the hand writing on the wall - it was a done deal anyway. I say this so that you will know that I do not rubber stamp everything that needs a vote. To adopt the attitude that US pilots somehow got what they deserved and now they now are capitulating and holding you back, is self defeating. Parker is an opportunist who has prospered with a pilot group that loathes him. This is the known part of the equation. Everything else about how he will react is just an educated guess.

 

Hey, if you were a U pilot (East or West), I don't blame you for voting for the merger because you had nowhere to go but up, but before it got to you AA pilots had to green light APA's sloppy wet kiss on Parker.

It's just I'd bet a re-vote today would reverse that course if AA legacy pilots had a chance at a do over.