Are you insinuating domestic hires are unqualified? Or that only overseas pilots are the only qualified pilots available?

Or that the only qualified hires we can get are from overseas and come on a non-immigrant visa that chain them to a specific company, but allow endless renewal because qualified domestic pilots can goto any US airline and therefor earn a market based wage that is significantly higher than what they would earn at Atlas?

We've happily given away our only leverage. Don't try to frame this as xenophobia because it's clearly not. They are reaching into foreign labor pools to avoid attrition and thus AVOIDING PAYING A MARKET BASED WAGE. There is a reason that EVERY other airline union (besides ours) lobbies against labor outsourcing. Because it undermines the pilot group (including the E3 hires already on property).

Whats going to happen when the furlough comes and US pilots are on the streets, but our active seniority list is dotted with pilots on non-immigrant visas?

Calling it xenophobia is a very easy way to dismiss what I'm saying. How about debate on the merits of this purely financial issue?

 

Dude! Clearly you haven't been paying attention! It's climate change!

 

Well said about xenophobia as a distraction from the issues. I don't mind fresh ATPs from the US.

 

Furloughs are done by seniority not random.
This means that a lot of the furlough(ees?) would be….hold your handkerchief……E3 visa holders.

On your other statements, I’m guessing the Teamsters National don’t care who pays the dues.

 

For questions about gateway and international travel, the only things you have guaranteed are codified in the CBA. People on the internet, recruiters and naysayers have their own take on things which can sometimes be confusing. Please peruse the source material. There's a link to the 2021 CBA on this page. No login required. A lot of questions and doubt can be answered there. Any arrangements made that exceed what's in the CBA can't be depended upon.

https://wp.iap2750.org/resources/

 

Quite literally my point. Furloughs are done via seniority so we would have US permanent residents and citizens on the street while we have (legally) temporary workers on the payroll.

I think if you read the union update from a week or so ago you'll find that its just our local who doesn't seem to care about labor outsourcing (as long as its "specialty worker")

 

I have family reasons and a large bonus coming from my current job in 2023, so would not be able to start until summer of 2023. I have my ATP, but limited turbine time, so appears the 737 would be best fit. Should I apply now given the training delays mentioned in the previous pages?

Is the Atlas 737 a good place for your first jet job or should I go to one of the regionals first?

 

I had a phone screen last week and HR rep said apply 3 mos out from class availability. FWIW

 

Does anyone know what 737 training currently looks like? Are people running though training in 60-70 concurrent days, or are they doing indoc for one week, then going home for a bit while the sims open up to be able to accommodate new hires? My friend went to 767 indoc in October for one week, and has been sitting around (supposedly goes back in February), so I’m wondering if the 737 has a similar delay.

 

If you’re goal is to build time/experience to go on to something else, Atlas is not the place for you. You will gain much more time/experience flying at a regional than you will flying the 737 at Atlas.

If Atlas is where you want to end up for the rest of your career…getting in as soon as possible is the best course of action. Seniority is king.

Unless you fall into an extremely narrow demographic, you’re better off going to a regional, getting time quickly, and moving on to a Legacy/FedEx/UPS/LCC that best suits your needs based on where you live and what you want to do long term in your career.