You didn't answer the question. Raising the bar IS the point to the 1224 agreement that K4 DID sign.

 

So who has a 20 hour duty day limit for a four person crew? NO ONE! That’s a wet dream, we didn’t lower the bar for anyone, yet our contract was held up for that? Ridiculous.

 

Negative my uninformed friend. The point of the letter was to Not Lower The Bar. Huge difference.

 

Contrary to what you may think our operation is different, and as such what works for you doesn’t work for us. It has been said many times, but for some reason no one seems to understand this. With all do respect, we did not undercut anyone.

 

Exactly. Think about it. If you get a trip to Lagos, or Dakar, or Ougadougo or Djibouti; do you *truly* want to be limited in duty to have to overnight there ? Or would you rather be able to fly back to Europe and overnight is a decent place? Personally, not having to be on malaria pills for the rest of my life is a big deal. Spent a solid year on Malarone and can tell you first-hand that that is extremely unpleasant.

 

If you could answer here with 5 characters
The answer would be "FALSE"

 

"Raising the bar".... Tell me more about K4's retirement program that more than 80% of K4 voted for. My understanding is that if you crack $200,000 (a mark a 2nd year UPS FO cracks) that K4 no longer matches to your retirement. Your current retirement would be worse than Atlas's Amalgamated retirement concocted in 2011.

If my reading of that is correct that's the worst retirement that I know of and K4 voted to keep that in place for a minimum of 5 years. If true K4's Captains get no retirement the last few months of the year.

 

its great that your a UPS FO - they have their own sub-forum
go troll there

 

3. Augmented Crews: Four or More Crewmembers a. This subsection 12.C.3. applies to: (i) three (3) required Crewmember aircraft augmented to five (5) Crewmembers; and (ii) two (2) required Crewmember aircraft augmented to four (4) or more Crewmembers. b. The maximum scheduled duty period shall be twenty (20) consecutive hours. Once scheduled, a duty period may be extended on account of operating flight delays caused by weather, mechanical, air traffic control, late ground handling, late loading or curfew, or with Crewmember concurrence if he was delayed on a commercial deadhead that precedes an operating flight to which he is assigned as a flight crewmember, to no more than twenty-two (22) consecutive hours. If the duty period is extended, the applicable Minimum Rest Period shall be extended in one (1) hour increments based on the duty extension (e.g., if the duty period is extended by fifteen (15)

 

I'm not a UPS FO but there's no way I'd vote for that baring a $450 an hour pay rate. I'm sure it's somehow Dan Wells's fault that yall voted for an Industry Worst Retirement. This isn't a troll but please spare us the "We Raised the Bar" nonsense with that retirement plan.

Go look at what Spirit just got. It starts at year 1 as an 11% direct contribution and goes up 1% a year until year 5 where it's 15%. So day 1 they'll get 2.2 times what you get going to 3 times by year 5 and that's just the first 10-11 months of the year. After that you have no retirement. That's the type of improvement that we should be striving for...

The duty day was just a small detail to me. The fact that I'll be funding most of my own retirement would be the big deal to me.