MaxKts

So, that's how it works: When you realize you have lost the argument - switch to humor.

Soyathink

FF,

I just took narrowbody 757/727 Capt and Capt. UPS both at 10 years. I figured there would be some apples and oranges mixed in there with equipment rates..

I see your points. I have a number of UPS Frisbees from the last 40 years we could skeet shoot with


UPS should give a severance and pay to have those pilots and families relocated back to the lower 48 if they signed the 3 year deal. It's only right. I'm sure though that somebody in Atlanta feels though that they have a union that takeses care of them so they can take care of them in this case too. (us against them mentality.) Most severance packages are not to be disclosed publicly. Just like Private Messages There could be severance package agreements that are not known about. In my case I got a severance package. I had 30 days to sign it and agree to it. The company called me a couple days before and said they haven't recieved it. I told them that they wouldn't because I didn't agree to it. The said I could fax it to them and they would overnight my money. They acted like I needed it because I just lost my job. They were wrong. I have always been fiscally responsible. I told them again that I am thinking out my options and am considering hiring a lawyer. They came back and said why would you do that. I told them a couple of the many things I had on them. Not "It Sounds" or internet rumours, but facts with proof to back it up. They knew I had them over a barrell. The company I worked for even refused to pay my Corporate AMEX bill. They said I needed to submit my expenses but they locked my out of expense reporting. They had access to everything on my card, they just wanted to play games. That month I'm getting calls from AMEX regarding when I'm going to pay my Corporate card. So they came back with what I wanted in my severance. I was fair about it. They revised the agreement and I signed and they paid it including the AMEX. I think they were ****ed I booked first class tickets on my return home after hearing I lost my job. The pilots that were furloughed that moved to ANC need to get with the IPA and the lawyers. Look over the agreements you signed with UPS when you moved up there. I feel you should be able to get what you deserve.

I'm not defending the company and I'm not defending the ones who post things like the passport situation and the room break in either. What does any of it solve???????

I won't pm you. I want to keep my identity to myself and the other guy decided to post a Private message in response to his public insults. Not that you would do that but I don't want to take chances.

Go to the IPA and work on your options to get moved back to the states. Be thankful you have a union. You paid you dues and they need to give you what you paid for. I didn't have one and really wished I did.

Soyathink

Wasn't humor. The only thing humorous is my typo's Wasn't an argument. Wasn't a Win/Lose. The only thing I realize is this country is in terrible shape if what I read here is the majority of people. What does blame solve? What does posting on the internet solve? What do insults solve? Why don't you fix it then instead of insults? I asked the question of what did the IPA do and What did the other crew members do? I got an IDK. I got alot of what UPS didn't do. I made suggestions on what to do. I got insults in return. Nobody has any responsibility for what you do in life except for you. Not UPS, nobody else. If your a heartburn or a cancer in a company and need something from the company do you think that you would be the number one priority? If you work for a company that treated its employees poorly and didn't take care of them, would you make the company the number one priority?

Again what does it solve?

johnso29

Ok, not following the weak GPS example. Do you have proof that the passport was locked up in a clear glass case in the hotel room? And isn't that why we have insurance? Does UPS offer passport insurance for their employees to purchase? It really doesn't sound like the said employee is asking for reimbursement of the passport, & if he is that's still not the point I'm arguing.

And you keep bringing up the issue of who's at fault here. You're failing to argue the issue that I'm addressing. I am not assigning blame as to who is responsible for the passport getting stolen. That is NOT the issue. The issue is that UPS failed to provide assistance to an employee. Did he make the call to get a copy faxed? If he didn't,then that is his fault. But did UPS provide any assistance, or guide him in the right direction?

You need to stop dancing around the issue. It's not an argument about who's is at fault for the passport getting stolen, it's about getting zero assistance from UPS after the fact.

Look, I have no dog in the fight, I don't work for UPS. I have never wanted to. I just think your confused about the point people are trying to make.

Jetjok

As I see it, this pilot was overseas, on UPS business, not on personal time. That being the case, it should be the company's responsibility to provide as much support to said employee, as is corporately possible. Regardless of how the passport was lost: be it by theft; a hooker stealing it from his room; fell out of his back pocket when he was walking down the street; or a Martian beaming down and transporting it from the pilots' room to his 3-fingered hand, the bottom line is that the company should have done everything in its considerable power to: 1. get the employee a photocopy of his passport title page (which the company keeps on file); and 2. assist the pilot in returning to his domicile, because although a passport is "personal" property, it is a company requirement for the job, and indeed, the company pays for said passport and all modifications to it, including renewals and Visa stamps and updates. With that in mind, shouldn't the company provide any needed backup? I think so.

As well, I believe that my entire above paragraph is valid, regardless of the type of relationship one has with the company. This means that although I hate the company and they likewise hate me, since I'm doing their work, and cashing their paychecks, a certain relationship is in place, one in which the companys' job is to support their employees, while said employees are actively performing their jobs. Also, every time a flight crew successfully operates a company flight from point A to point B, they are making the company their number 1 priority, again, regardless of their personal relationship with said company.

As usual Soya, I find your responses show a continued lack of understanding of both Corporate America in general, as well as UPS's relationship with their employees in particular. But have a nice day.

JJ

767pilot

R. Theft of Personal Property
1. The Company shall reimburse crewmembers for loss of personal
money or property in a theft while on duty up to a maximum of
Two Hundred Dollars ($200) per crewmember. To be entitled to
reimbursement, the theft must occur while the crewmember is on
airport property, traveling between a hotel and airport or laying
over at a hotel. A crewmember shall also be entitled to
reimbursement up to Two Hundred Dollars ($200) for thefts from
his hotel room while on layover. Crewmembers must promptly
report such theft/holdup to the Company and police, and
cooperate in the investigation of such theft. Crewmembers will
be paid for all time involved.

Soyathink

No problem JJ as usual you know all sides and your infinite wisdom is appreciated. You understand you get what you give right? I wonder why you don't see all the behind the scenes stuff publically displayed by the company. We know that over the 103 year history of UPS there haven't been threats of violence from employees, shootings by employees, bombs detonated by employees. Employees shooting at managers. Maybe the years have led to this kind of behavior but again it is all the company and never the employee. I wouldn't expect you to understand. I'll send you a PM with a news article in it. It will show you some of the things the company has to deal with. I'm not posting it public to protect my identity but this hit my family hard. You never hear that side and thats what some of you don't understand and would probably never will.

You have a great day too.

Back to regularly scheduled programming

Swedish Blender

Crew member had a color copy. Chinese would not accept it. You are arguing as an ill informed outsider on behalf of UPS when you don't work there. Amusing.

Also, spoke to a FQS recently after this and he said he doesn't carry his passport overseas due to a greater chance of being mugged and having it stolen.

Soyathink

I might know more that you think. I have seen more at UPS than you would care to know. That's why my username is "soyathink". You could only imagine what I have experienced with UPS and if you knew you would have a better understanding of why all the hate on both sides.

Swedish Blender

So if you know more than I think, why say he could have called home and had a copy faxed? Also, don't assume you are the only who had family members at UPS, and therefore know more.