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Old 04-23-2013 | 02:38 PM
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It's sad but I think there will be a lot of people that continue to volunteer while their fellow pilots are on the streets. The union shouldn't have to put out any letter like that, people should know already. Hopefully, people get educated real quick on the right thing to do during a furlough.
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Old 04-23-2013 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RealOmniPilot
It's sad but I think there will be a lot of people that continue to volunteer while their fellow pilots are on the streets. The union shouldn't have to put out any letter like that, people should know already. Hopefully, people get educated real quick on the right thing to do during a furlough.
This happened at my last airline. Union couldn't say anything about it, as the contract allowed volunteers to pick up open time, but it didn't forbid the practice when others were on furlough. Thus, the union can't argue against something that's perfectly legal. (legal and moral are two entirely different things)

I don't think there's anything wrong with informing the rest of your pilots (on an internal web board) who's helping themselves at the expense of others.
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Old 04-23-2013 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by captainv
This happened at my last airline. Union couldn't say anything about it, as the contract allowed volunteers to pick up open time, but it didn't forbid the practice when others were on furlough. Thus, the union can't argue against something that's perfectly legal. (legal and moral are two entirely different things)

I don't think there's anything wrong with informing the rest of your pilots (on an internal web board) who's helping themselves at the expense of others.
I advocated for and, in fact, actively lobbied the MEC at Comair to do just that. I was a big proponent of posting names on our webboard and posting names on the union board in the crew lounges of those picking up open time with guys on furlough.

I was shot down repeatedly, but it wasn't for a lack of trying.

I would make it my mission to make sure that people that collect their 30 pieces of silver regret it. A little public shame goes a long way.
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Old 04-24-2013 | 04:05 AM
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Ask a labor attorney about the effect of posting names.




Originally Posted by RJtrashPilot
I advocated for and, in fact, actively lobbied the MEC at Comair to do just that. I was a big proponent of posting names on our webboard and posting names on the union board in the crew lounges of those picking up open time with guys on furlough.

I was shot down repeatedly, but it wasn't for a lack of trying.

I would make it my mission to make sure that people that collect their 30 pieces of silver regret it. A little public shame goes a long way.
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Old 04-27-2013 | 12:53 PM
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Looks like 23 furloughs.
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Old 04-27-2013 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RealOmniPilot
Looks like 23 furloughs.
Of those 23, are any of them new hires that just went through training or are those guys just SOL now?
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Old 04-27-2013 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by seoceancrosser
Of those 23, are any of them new hires that just went through training or are those guys just SOL now?
The vast majority are new hires. Just a few 2011 hires got the axe.
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Old 04-28-2013 | 05:15 AM
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Prior to the publication of the hit list, the company issued a new seniority list. On the seniority list were the guys in the new hire classes who had not yet begun sim training. I was told this inclusion was at the insistence of the EXCO.

The new hires were on the hit list so they were furloughed IAW the contract rather than just cut loose. That is a little ray of sunshine, I guess, albeit a dim, weak ray that barely manages to shine.
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Old 04-28-2013 | 05:52 AM
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[QUOTE=Baxter;1399475]Prior to the publication of the hit list, the company issued a new seniority list. On the seniority list were the guys in the new hire classes who had not yet begun sim training. I was told this inclusion was at the insistence of the EXCO.

in ground school new hires are given company IDs with employee numbers and thus seniority numbers so why wouldn't they be on the list even if they have not started sim training
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Old 04-28-2013 | 09:14 AM
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True. DOH is also defined in the CBA. It is my understanding, however, that some convincing was necessary. That is hearsay, so how large a grain of salt with which you choose to take it is up to you.
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