They also are payed based off the 200 that flies shorter legs so the company has flexibility, I have no doubt the company will change the way they build but what we have now doesn't work...

 

When the company has to give us four hours of pay and credit for 30 hour overnights, you'll see them almost completely disappear. What will they be replaced with? My guess is an increase in days where you deadhead from an outstation to a hub then operate one leg, or vice versa, keeping the day at min credit. The company benefits because they get a flight out of the crew for the same pay. The crew benefits because...it's better than ADTG.

 

So what if you guys had to have an average daily credit of 5 hours that includes those 30 hour overnights? Is the 30 hour overnight and not getting paid the biggest complaint you get with the rig you have now?

 

The biggest complaint with the way the rig is now is the way it was implemented. It was signed as a LOA by ALPA with no pilot input and no warning. During contract negotiations it was agreed on that pilots would get minimum day pay and credit for calendar days spent on overnights. The company changed their minds after the new contract was signed. Arbitration was set up, and ALPA signed the ADTG LOA instead of going to arbitration. Again, no input from the pilot group.

 

So now out of spite of an MEC that has moved on to Delta, you're going to vote to remove a trip rig, rather than entertaining improving it?

Good plan.

 

I understand the frustration of unilaterally signing off on something with no input.

Going back to my earlier question... would a 5 hour per day average rig that included whole days at the hotel solve the problems your currently having in your opinion?

 

5:45 would guarantee four day trips are worth 23 hours at a minimum. I'd be fine with that.

 

For whatever reason the union was nervous the arbitrator was going to side with the companies interpretation of the 4hr pay/credit, and opted to try this solution, which the company agreed to, in order to secure some schedule credit for the pilot group.

Bump it to 5 or 5:15 and I'm good with it. In reality, that will not happen. I don't see the company agreeing to that and we will most likely go to arbitration and just go with what he decides.

Regardless of the outcome, the company will manipulate the schedules to minimize the financial impact of the provision while maintaining schedule integrity.

I'd personally would look at it this way. "IF" you got stuck in your current position tomorrow for over a year, what would you want. The fast movement will not always last. Someone will have to be on reserve and fly crappy trips, don't think it won't or can't happen to you.

 

I have a class date coming up in January and I'm looking to quell some last minute jitters. I know some of the following questions have been asked, but I'm looking for up to date info as this is a huge life decision. I don't want to come off as not willing to pay my dues, but rather just trying to be well informed prior showing up to class. I will be commuting for the foreseeable future.

1. About what number would an early January hire be on the current seniority list?

2. I know this hire date puts me relatively late to the party, but what are your thoughts on movement with this seniority?

3. Can anyone give any insight as to a typical reserve schedule? The recruiters gave the impression that I wouldn't have to spend much time, if any, on reserve. Do you agree?

4. As a LAX lineholder, What's an average month entail?

5. What is the proper attire to jump seat home after indoc? If full crew apparel is required, any suggestions?

Thanks for all your input.

max gross

 

I don't know what seniority number a January class will be but if my math is correct when I looked for a friend in october, January will be at the beginning of the hiring for the aa flying. Prior to January was to mostly cover the last of the 150 or so that are leaving for flows. If that is correct then you will end with around 200 people, plus or minus 30 or so under you. I don't think that will give you a year upgrade time but I see it as better grade than others of around

If my numbers are right and we are putting through 30 or people a month then reserve will probably be relatively short, couple months or so. Only 2 months is great considering some here did 18 months. Work 4 or 5 days with maybe one or 2 being ready reserve then 2-3 days off. I flew about 40 hours per month, some people flew more, some less.

Average months vary, I've had 85-90+ hours and 12-14 days off, but also had 75 hour months with 12 days off. It all depends on your seniority number and the things you ask for in your bid.

Business casual on first day, a tie isn't needed. Just wear that to jump home on and your fine.