DL Hiring: New Process
07-07-2021, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by beernutt
A little more knowledge of aerodynamics sure would have helped the Air France 330 crew, whether it was tailored to naval aviators or not. I’m fully in favor of more practical knowledge in this profession, versus emphasis on community service and jot ‘em and dot ‘em tests.
Anyone can follow a magenta line when everything works and the weather is nice. Harrumph!
Anyone can follow a magenta line when everything works and the weather is nice. Harrumph!
07-07-2021, 09:16 PM
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At least the JKT and Cog Test were objective parts of the interview. Perhaps your delivery during the HR Panel about saving orphans in the Congo wasn’t 100% on key. In the past you may have been able to lean a bit on excellent scores from other parts of the interview. It sounds like now it’s really a pure HR / Psych thing, but I really don’t know.
07-07-2021, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
If I’m not mistaken the assessment is the MMPI.
Personally very glad we are finally updating our antiquated hiring process wrt the JKT. aerodynamics for naval aviators should not be required reading for an airline job
Personally very glad we are finally updating our antiquated hiring process wrt the JKT. aerodynamics for naval aviators should not be required reading for an airline job
1) It was a bunch of stuff that they gave you to study. If you learned it, or at least an acceptable amount of it on your own time…….that showed initiative and that you’re a person who when given a bunch of material and being told “know this and you’ll be tested on it….” If you can do that—and aren’t a total tool during the interview you’ll be a good fit.
Why?
2) At Delta when you are assigned a new airplane—guess what?!? You're sent a ton of info that often times is new or foreign to you, you are asked to learn it on your own time, and show up on day one and take a test. And you’re asked to do that over and over for four weeks straight.
When I took the JKT I thought “Good God, that was so stupid.” Retrospectively, I understand why it exists once I taught myself an airplane and was tested on it. There’s definitely a correlation between that test and the way we train here.
07-07-2021, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TegridyFarms
I posted this in another thread—but it’s worth sharing here too. I am not saying #savetheJKT!! I am just saying my personal reasoning behind why it existed.
1) It was a bunch of stuff that they gave you to study. If you learned it, or at least an acceptable amount of it on your own time…….that showed initiative and that you’re a person who when given a bunch of material and being told “know this and you’ll be tested on it….” If you can do that—and aren’t a total tool during the interview you’ll be a good fit.
Why?
2) At Delta when you are assigned a new airplane—guess what?!? You're sent a ton of info that often times is new or foreign to you, you are asked to learn it on your own time, and show up on day one and take a test. And you’re asked to do that over and over for four weeks straight.
When I took the JKT I thought “Good God, that was so stupid.” Retrospectively, I understand why it exists once I taught myself an airplane and was tested on it. There’s definitely a correlation between that test and the way we train here.
1) It was a bunch of stuff that they gave you to study. If you learned it, or at least an acceptable amount of it on your own time…….that showed initiative and that you’re a person who when given a bunch of material and being told “know this and you’ll be tested on it….” If you can do that—and aren’t a total tool during the interview you’ll be a good fit.
Why?
2) At Delta when you are assigned a new airplane—guess what?!? You're sent a ton of info that often times is new or foreign to you, you are asked to learn it on your own time, and show up on day one and take a test. And you’re asked to do that over and over for four weeks straight.
When I took the JKT I thought “Good God, that was so stupid.” Retrospectively, I understand why it exists once I taught myself an airplane and was tested on it. There’s definitely a correlation between that test and the way we train here.
All professional pilots hired by Delta will already have 1 or more type ratings, college degree and verifiable work history. That’s the data points that have a verifiable correlation.
The whole (previous) interview process was conceived by the Hoffman consulting group to help Delta understand how to hire civilian pilots. It’s been proven over and over that pilots with previous 121 experience can successfully work at another 121 Airline. Shocker isn’t it!!!! It’s 2021 there are thousands of 121 pilots that Delta can hire from. Stymied antiquated processes will cause Delta to lose out on quality pilots. I applaud our HR for adapting and understanding reality.
PS
You can read about DAL’s hiring fears from Carl Hoffman himself. He notes it in this book.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/27389864009...SABEgJnpvD_BwE
Last edited by Catboatsailor; 07-07-2021 at 11:55 PM.
07-08-2021, 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by TegridyFarms
I posted this in another thread—but it’s worth sharing here too. I am not saying #savetheJKT!! I am just saying my personal reasoning behind why it existed.
1) It was a bunch of stuff that they gave you to study. If you learned it, or at least an acceptable amount of it on your own time…….that showed initiative and that you’re a person who when given a bunch of material and being told “know this and you’ll be tested on it….” If you can do that—and aren’t a total tool during the interview you’ll be a good fit.
Why?
2) At Delta when you are assigned a new airplane—guess what?!? You're sent a ton of info that often times is new or foreign to you, you are asked to learn it on your own time, and show up on day one and take a test. And you’re asked to do that over and over for four weeks straight.
When I took the JKT I thought “Good God, that was so stupid.” Retrospectively, I understand why it exists once I taught myself an airplane and was tested on it. There’s definitely a correlation between that test and the way we train here.
1) It was a bunch of stuff that they gave you to study. If you learned it, or at least an acceptable amount of it on your own time…….that showed initiative and that you’re a person who when given a bunch of material and being told “know this and you’ll be tested on it….” If you can do that—and aren’t a total tool during the interview you’ll be a good fit.
Why?
2) At Delta when you are assigned a new airplane—guess what?!? You're sent a ton of info that often times is new or foreign to you, you are asked to learn it on your own time, and show up on day one and take a test. And you’re asked to do that over and over for four weeks straight.
When I took the JKT I thought “Good God, that was so stupid.” Retrospectively, I understand why it exists once I taught myself an airplane and was tested on it. There’s definitely a correlation between that test and the way we train here.
07-08-2021, 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Catboatsailor
The JKT was an unnecessary hoop to jump thru. The test has no bearing on how we train here. We don’t work wind triangles on the line or calculate VOR intercept angles.
All professional pilots hired by Delta will already have 1 or more type ratings, college degree and verifiable work history. That’s the data points that have a verifiable correlation.
The whole (previous) interview process was conceived by the Hoffman consulting group to help Delta understand how to hire civilian pilots. It’s been proven over and over that pilots with previous 121 experience can successfully work at another 121 Airline. Shocker isn’t it!!!! It’s 2021 there are thousands of 121 pilots that Delta can hire from. Stymied antiquated processes will cause Delta to lose out on quality pilots. I applaud our HR for adapting and understanding reality.
PS
You can read about DAL’s hiring fears from Carl Hoffman himself. He notes it in this book.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/27389864009...SABEgJnpvD_BwE
All professional pilots hired by Delta will already have 1 or more type ratings, college degree and verifiable work history. That’s the data points that have a verifiable correlation.
The whole (previous) interview process was conceived by the Hoffman consulting group to help Delta understand how to hire civilian pilots. It’s been proven over and over that pilots with previous 121 experience can successfully work at another 121 Airline. Shocker isn’t it!!!! It’s 2021 there are thousands of 121 pilots that Delta can hire from. Stymied antiquated processes will cause Delta to lose out on quality pilots. I applaud our HR for adapting and understanding reality.
PS
You can read about DAL’s hiring fears from Carl Hoffman himself. He notes it in this book.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/27389864009...SABEgJnpvD_BwE
So, my question to you would be.....are the pilots you work with ..underperformers....Middle of the road...or top notch? I realize there is a confirmation bias in that question if you are a Delta pilot...as is true if you have been turned down!!!
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