DL Hiring: New Process
07-08-2021 | 02:24 AM
#21
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From: 717A
Some things happened at Colgan and Pinnacle Airlines that might refute your claims that a US ATP is a certificate of competency in aerodynamic knowledge and adequate training.
I’m in favor of practical knowledge in aircraft operation versus emphasis on community service. That’s all I said. Please don’t take it as an attack on your viewpoint. We can both be right on this. Or wrong.
I’m in favor of practical knowledge in aircraft operation versus emphasis on community service. That’s all I said. Please don’t take it as an attack on your viewpoint. We can both be right on this. Or wrong.
Just an interesting correlation. Draw your own conclusions.
07-08-2021 | 02:34 AM
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From: Looking left
From what I’m hearing/reading, online assessment might be psych related (kind of like UAL Hogan).
In person HR, Shrink, and MMPI.
Haven’t found out if the COG will be online or in person.
In person HR, Shrink, and MMPI.
Haven’t found out if the COG will be online or in person.
07-08-2021 | 03:20 AM
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From: UNA
I posted this in another thread—but it’s worth sharing here too. I am not saying #savetheJKT!! I am just saying my personal reasoning behind why it existed.
1) It was a bunch of stuff that they gave you to study. If you learned it, or at least an acceptable amount of it on your own time…….that showed initiative and that you’re a person who when given a bunch of material and being told “know this and you’ll be tested on it….” If you can do that—and aren’t a total tool during the interview you’ll be a good fit.
Why?
2) At Delta when you are assigned a new airplane—guess what?!? You're sent a ton of info that often times is new or foreign to you, you are asked to learn it on your own time, and show up on day one and take a test. And you’re asked to do that over and over for four weeks straight.
When I took the JKT I thought “Good God, that was so stupid.” Retrospectively, I understand why it exists once I taught myself an airplane and was tested on it. There’s definitely a correlation between that test and the way we train here.
1) It was a bunch of stuff that they gave you to study. If you learned it, or at least an acceptable amount of it on your own time…….that showed initiative and that you’re a person who when given a bunch of material and being told “know this and you’ll be tested on it….” If you can do that—and aren’t a total tool during the interview you’ll be a good fit.
Why?
2) At Delta when you are assigned a new airplane—guess what?!? You're sent a ton of info that often times is new or foreign to you, you are asked to learn it on your own time, and show up on day one and take a test. And you’re asked to do that over and over for four weeks straight.
When I took the JKT I thought “Good God, that was so stupid.” Retrospectively, I understand why it exists once I taught myself an airplane and was tested on it. There’s definitely a correlation between that test and the way we train here.
07-08-2021 | 05:05 AM
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A little more knowledge of aerodynamics sure would have helped the Air France 330 crew, whether it was tailored to naval aviators or not. I’m fully in favor of more practical knowledge in this profession, versus emphasis on community service and jot ‘em and dot ‘em tests.
Anyone can follow a magenta line when everything works and the weather is nice. Harrumph!
Anyone can follow a magenta line when everything works and the weather is nice. Harrumph!
When it comes to stalls in airliners, EET training is far more effective than reading Aerodynamics for naval aviators
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07-08-2021 | 05:20 AM
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This is common old school thinking that analytics has proven to be ineffective. That's why emphasis on limitations and systems knowledge has been reduced and transitioned to strong emphasis on SOP, particularly utilizing the QRH.
When it comes to stalls in airliners, EET training is far more effective than reading Aerodynamics for naval aviators
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When it comes to stalls in airliners, EET training is far more effective than reading Aerodynamics for naval aviators
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There’s no reason it can’t be both except for money.
07-08-2021 | 05:29 AM
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There is no reason to go back to the I'm a molecule, take me thru a pack/build an airplane days. None.
Data shows that Air Travel has never been safer than it is today. That's how big of an impact CRM and Standard Operating Procedures has been.
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Data shows that Air Travel has never been safer than it is today. That's how big of an impact CRM and Standard Operating Procedures has been.
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07-08-2021 | 05:34 AM
#30
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Time will tell if this change affects the quality of new hires. As a NB A I have been flying with a bunch of new hires the last 5 years and as a whole they have been very impressive. Whatever method DAL has been using has been working very well - I hope the next 5 years worth of new hires is as good as the guys and gals hired in the last 5 years.
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