HIGHLY recommend you go read the SRH section about RES responsibilities during training.

bottom line, scheduling will most likely try to notify you during your last day of CQ about a rotation or SC the next day….SRH covers the important gotchas.

 

SRH page 173 has all the details and scenarios regarding Reserve Obligations during Training.

 

Awesome thanks guys. So the way I read it, unless I shoot myself in the foot by acknowledging a fishing expedition, the earliest report time is 27 hours after the block in of my scheduled flight back from CQ no? (9 hrs free from duty plus 18 hr callout)

 

18 hours from the end of the training day generally…

if your CQ pattern end time + 9 hours encroaches into a new day, it’s that time plus 18 hours.

even with 2 day coverage there are no CQ patterns that I know of (no 1 days IOW) that would allow them to notify you of a 2nd day assignment on your last long call day prior to CQ.

0 obligation to check your schedule as you’re not subject to the carve out.

I believe there was recently a Facebook post where the company got this very wrong and it took a lot of work to correct it.

 

Copy thanks. As long as I’m asking dumb questions I’ve got one more (I imagine other people are learning from this as well).

Let’s say the company calls during my training day or during my 9 hrs free from duty and gives me an assignment 18 hrs and 1 minute after the resumption of my LC. I don’t check my schedule as there is no requirement to since I’m not coming off a no fly day.

Does the voicemail they left during my non contactable time count, or do they have give me another call pretty much exactly when my LC resumes for it to be legal? Cheers and TIA

 

Coming off a training day they must contact you when you are in a contactable status (on LC or SC) in order to assign a rotation or SC. Any attempted contact when you are not contactable does not count unless you choose to self-acknowledge. I no-showed a trip after CQ once because they called me in the middle of CQ to try to notify me and never contacted me once I started LC.

 

1- let me be more clear about the end of a training day. It’s a 24 hour period ending at midnight unless what you do plus 9 hours goes past midnight. So when you’re “done by 1” the remainder of the day you finish on is a training day. Regular pilots can’t pick up rotations in this footprint

2- the company must contact you when you are in a contactable status (long call). You’re not obligated to the schedulers on the training day. It specifically says so in the PWA

11.F.1.: “A pilot will be removed from scheduled flying and reserve obligations on each day of their continuous training”

11.F.12.: “A reserve pilot will not be required to be contactable before the pilot has received a duty- free period of at least nine hours after their completion of training.” (Except that if this 9 hours ends before midnight you’re still on a training day and not contactable)

Excerpt from scheduling alert 19-01

Taken together, Section 11 A. 6. and Section 11 A. 35. of the PWA define a training day to be a day on which a pilot is scheduled to train, be on a break of three days or fewer between training sessions, or travel between his or her base and training location. Section 11 F. 1. further states that a pilot will be removed from scheduled flying and reserve obligations on each training day. Finally, Section 11 F. 10. requires at least nine hours free of duty after completing training, i.e., the end of the pilot’s debrief, if training in base, or the block-in time of his or her scheduled flight from the training location to the base. (Scheduled positive space information can be found on your PBS calendar and in iCrew VTS.)
A pilot’s schedule should reflect completed training time (as defined above by the end of the scheduled debrief or scheduled positive space flight), plus the nine-hour duty-free period. If the nine-hour duty-free period advances a reserve pilot into the next calendar day, then he or she is immediately back on long call status at that time with a 12-hour minimum callout. If this period is still within the footprint of the original training day (i.e., does not advance into the next day), then he or she does not go back onto reserve status until 2400 that night, at which point the pilot is back on long call with a 12-hour minimum callout.

(Alert was published with old LC rules that’s why it says 12 hours)

 

So much this. Don't give into the temptation to fix their mistakes or omissions by calling CS to correct them. Just stand firm on knowing when you are not contactable, and 100000% no-show if not properly contacted.

Its been said, but just for succinct clarity: CQ/commute end time + the later of 9 hours or midnight, you go on 18 hour LC. If you finish at 0100 on the 1st, you cannot be assigned a trip until 1800 on the 2nd. The same rules apply for any other company business, like mentor training. Page 173 of the SRH has examples.

Also, never, ever, answer the phone. If you do and they are assigning you rest, it starts immediately. If you don’t answer, it doesn’t start until 2 hours later. And if they don’t put you in rest for 32 hours in the voicemail, it’s not a legal test. Call them at hour 29:59, and ask them to tell you “when rest started and ended”. They will be forced to restart a new 30 hour rest. [edit - within 9 hours of starting rest, you must notify CS you need 2 additional hours] PWA 23.S.5.f.2.b

Also, never raise your voice in a fight you know you are going to win.

 

A new wrinkle perhaps ….

How about a CNO that says “you have been assigned short call with 30 hours prior rest….” With short call start and end times.

CNO is sent during a contactable status (long call) and well prior to 2 hours before the start of the 30 hour.

my understanding is CNO is legit for assigning short call. But CNO ONLY is not legit for assigning rest…..

thoughts?

 

Go on call at midnight so 1800.

PWA 2.A.172.c. & 23.S.5.d.2)b)