Reserve for Dummies
04-08-2024 | 08:24 AM
#1631
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Doh! I see it now. You actually have to click into the yellow slip to be first for flying on call days and then submit a preference.
I wasn't expecting it to be in the first for flying category. Does that mean if you select that as your only option you will be called before anybody else in the lower days available grouping, regardless of seniority?
Airfix
I wasn't expecting it to be in the first for flying category. Does that mean if you select that as your only option you will be called before anybody else in the lower days available grouping, regardless of seniority?
Airfix
04-08-2024 | 08:28 AM
#1632
On Reserve
Joined: Oct 2023
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Doh! I see it now. You actually have to click into the yellow slip to be first for flying on call days and then submit a preference.
I wasn't expecting it to be in the first for flying category. Does that mean if you select that as your only option you will be called before anybody else in the lower days available grouping, regardless of seniority?
Airfix
I wasn't expecting it to be in the first for flying category. Does that mean if you select that as your only option you will be called before anybody else in the lower days available grouping, regardless of seniority?
Airfix
The preference to subtract one day from your availability is only in the "First to fly" template, along with the ability to reduce your RAW bucket from 2 to 1, if that situation applies. It is not available in the "If needed to fly" template.
04-08-2024 | 08:43 AM
#1633
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As I understand it, it only lowers your RAW group and DOA. So, if there is a trip you want in OT that's 3 days and you're 4 days, you submit the YS for that trip. Instead of trip coverage saying you're in 4 day bucket, it thinks you're in the 3 day bucket and you get in line based on every other criteria.
From my understanding, this only helps you if there is a 3-day trip you like more than the available 4-day trips. Your YS for the 3-day would be considered just like any other YS in the 3-day pot, so if someone more senior YS-ed the trip you wanted, then it will go to them.
The preference to subtract one day from your availability is only in the "First to fly" template, along with the ability to reduce your RAW bucket from 2 to 1, if that situation applies. It is not available in the "If needed to fly" template.
The preference to subtract one day from your availability is only in the "First to fly" template, along with the ability to reduce your RAW bucket from 2 to 1, if that situation applies. It is not available in the "If needed to fly" template.
And, there must be +1 in your original DoA grouping than the number of trips in your original grouping. IOW, if you at a 4-day pilot, there has to be one additional 4 pilot if there is a 4-day trip in OT (presumably so they don’t waste their ‘only’ resource on a shorter trip).
I’ve used it a couple times now. It’s a great tool.
04-08-2024 | 09:15 AM
#1634
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Joined: Nov 2008
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Yeah it doesn't appear like it will help me out in this situation. I'm in a 4 day grouping. There is 1 trip in the 4 day bucket but 2 pilots junior to me in the 4 day bucket. I want to make sure those 2 pilots don't get short call assignments making me top of the list for the 4 day trip. There are no 3 day trips in open time. I was hoping to drop to the 3 day bucket to avoid the 4 day trip without adding any extra exposure to be used.
It seems I'd be volunteering to be used first if needed to fly should a 3 day come into open time.
I could volunteer for short call but as I've been used for every single short call since the new contract so I'm not really up for that either.
I was hoping to get something for nothing.
Airfix
It seems I'd be volunteering to be used first if needed to fly should a 3 day come into open time.
I could volunteer for short call but as I've been used for every single short call since the new contract so I'm not really up for that either.
I was hoping to get something for nothing.
Airfix
04-08-2024 | 10:06 AM
#1635
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Joined: Oct 2023
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Yeah it doesn't appear like it will help me out in this situation. I'm in a 4 day grouping. There is 1 trip in the 4 day bucket but 2 pilots junior to me in the 4 day bucket. I want to make sure those 2 pilots don't get short call assignments making me top of the list for the 4 day trip. There are no 3 day trips in open time. I was hoping to drop to the 3 day bucket to avoid the 4 day trip without adding any extra exposure to be used.
It seems I'd be volunteering to be used first if needed to fly should a 3 day come into open time.
I could volunteer for short call but as I've been used for every single short call since the new contract so I'm not really up for that either.
I was hoping to get something for nothing.
Airfix
It seems I'd be volunteering to be used first if needed to fly should a 3 day come into open time.
I could volunteer for short call but as I've been used for every single short call since the new contract so I'm not really up for that either.
I was hoping to get something for nothing.
Airfix
04-11-2024 | 11:15 AM
#1636
On Reserve
Joined: Jan 2016
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From: 900 Throne
Here’s one regarding sit pay:
assigned a 2 day on reserve. Reported at 1030. After sitting for delayed flight until 1500 rerouted to layover in base. Requested sit pay for sit between 1030 to 1500. Denied sit pay because it wasn’t between flight segments. So we can report for a flight and sit indefinitely without pay if the flight CXs?
Also, did you find the Easter Egg? Reroute to additional next day flying in base. Shouldn’t I have been released? Or is that something I need to request and if I didn’t I’m SOL?
Thanks!
assigned a 2 day on reserve. Reported at 1030. After sitting for delayed flight until 1500 rerouted to layover in base. Requested sit pay for sit between 1030 to 1500. Denied sit pay because it wasn’t between flight segments. So we can report for a flight and sit indefinitely without pay if the flight CXs?
Also, did you find the Easter Egg? Reroute to additional next day flying in base. Shouldn’t I have been released? Or is that something I need to request and if I didn’t I’m SOL?
Thanks!
04-11-2024 | 11:21 AM
#1637
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Here’s one regarding sit pay:
assigned a 2 day on reserve. Reported at 1030. After sitting for delayed flight until 1500 rerouted to layover in base. Requested sit pay for sit between 1030 to 1500. Denied sit pay because it wasn’t between flight segments. So we can report for a flight and sit indefinitely without pay if the flight CXs?
Also, did you find the Easter Egg? Reroute to additional next day flying in base. Shouldn’t I have been released? Or is that something I need to request and if I didn’t I’m SOL?
Thanks!
assigned a 2 day on reserve. Reported at 1030. After sitting for delayed flight until 1500 rerouted to layover in base. Requested sit pay for sit between 1030 to 1500. Denied sit pay because it wasn’t between flight segments. So we can report for a flight and sit indefinitely without pay if the flight CXs?
Also, did you find the Easter Egg? Reroute to additional next day flying in base. Shouldn’t I have been released? Or is that something I need to request and if I didn’t I’m SOL?
Thanks!
As for release in base, the request to be released has to be made at the time the reroute is acknowledged.
04-11-2024 | 03:02 PM
#1638
On Reserve
Joined: Jan 2016
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From: 900 Throne
Regarding sit pay, CS is correct. Has to be between consecutive flight or deadhead segments. Additionally, it only applies "as scheduled". Delays (or early arrivals) do not affect sit pay. Also, you're not really sitting "without pay" as you're still getting some combination of ADG, DTY, MCD, etc credit towards RSV guarantee.
As for release in base, the request to be released has to be made at the time the reroute is acknowledged.
As for release in base, the request to be released has to be made at the time the reroute is acknowledged.
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04-11-2024 | 07:54 PM
#1639
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Joined: Jan 2022
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Do you have a reference for this? On Thursday, my first day of a group of reserve days, I had a PR from 0000-0130L that was the result of a GS I picked up the previous week. Then, on Tuesday, I picked up a one-day GS. While my PR on Thursday was changed to a PB, I was only given a PR on Friday, which ends at approximately 2030L. My captain said the same thing you did -- that I should have actually been given a full PB on Thursday, a full PB on Friday, and then a PR on Saturday. I am trying to find a reference for that before I call CS. Many thanks!
04-11-2024 | 08:06 PM
#1640
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Do you have a reference for this? On Thursday, my first day of a group of reserve days, I had a PR from 0000-0130L that was the result of a GS I picked up the previous week. Then, on Tuesday, I picked up a one-day GS. While my PR on Thursday was changed to a PB, I was only given a PR on Friday, which ends at approximately 2030L. My captain said the same thing you did -- that I should have actually been given a full PB on Thursday, a full PB on Friday, and then a PR on Saturday. I am trying to find a reference for that before I call CS. Many thanks!
To answer your question, i’ve never been able to find anything in the PWA, or the scheduling reference handbook. In fact, if you look at the SRH examples, it does not appear to affirm this.
But past practice, and even questioning CS directly, turning a PR into a full PB before applying the second set of PB days is the way CS has always done every subsequent GS I have ever done, and I’ve rolled a lot of thunder.
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